[davidsmith73]

Originally Posted by Miguel

Alright. You don't think Sheldrake's data suggests telepathy. Despite Sheldrake saying that.

I am just saying that Sheldrakes methods are better than W&M's. There are some specific problems with Sheldrakes design as he reported it such as the non-random interspersion of control and experimental trials and for that reason I would be hesitant on concluding telepathy from this study. But the general method of using the continuous dependent variable of waiting time over the trial period is superior to W&S's method for all the reasons we've discussed.

You also say that Sheldrake's method is better at detecting an effect.

So is what you are saying basically that Sheldrake's method will detect an effect where there is none? (IE that it will routinely produce type I errors)

Sheldrakes methods will detect an effect and could be regarded as telepathy if adequate controls are in place, like I said before. This is in contrast to W&M's methods which are likely to increase noise.

I have explained how we can see that the later randomized experiments show more early signalling. If you disagree then reread my previous posts and show how my argument is wrong.

Firstly, the 12 trial experiment you are refering to shows 18% of waiting time during the pre-return period in the 'clean' trials. If the preliminary experiment shows 17% then the data contradict what you are saying straight off. Secondly, the methods differ between the two experiments making comparison difficult. In summary, there are no grounds for your claim that the later randomized experiments show more early signalling.

Look, I know you are desperate to defend the W&M experiment. To be honest, it has its plus points. But unfortunately, it had a few major problems - the 2 second success/failure criterion and only 4 trials.

Do I understand correctly: You are saying that Sheldrake is better at recongizing Jaytee's signalling behavior than his owners.

I'm saying he is in a better position to recognise the implications of W&M's criterion of trial success/failure for the experiment.

Understanding 10.1 and maybe 10.2 should be sufficient.

I've looked through 10.1 and 10.2 and don't see anything that helps your light bulb argument or shows where I am mistaken.