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Originally Posted by Paul C. Anagnostopoulos 
I don't understand this question. What does it mean for the computer to feel pain when someone proves the theorem?
~~ Paul
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My point is the triple input/P/output is a theorem!! Given deterministic random number generators, the output is fixed just as much as the answer to 22+17 is fixed. Why associate consciousness with the act of merely
checking this theorem with an actual computer?
Now to your question - "If you think that a mind cannot be simulated on a computer with appropriate random inputs, then I believe you are saying that a mind is more than some combination of deterministic and random events. Could you please describe the third thing that is included?"
First, I am not alone in this, Roger Penrose thinks brains cannot be simulated on a computer - his famous Godel argument.
My answer might be that the non-physical part of our brains must have a quality which makes it impossible to simulate - otherwise it too would be subject to this argument - mental stuff must be very subtle.
Again I remind you, I am not proposing an alternative theory, merely poking holes in the orthodox one!
David