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Originally Posted by skidoo  I've presented the evidence. You guys have tried to rebut it, with no success. Simple. |
Skidoo you are now entering denial
Novella's confident claim was rebutted by a very simple TV set analogy where the TV broadcast (mind) is not created by the TV set (brain).
(Incidentally it is not my analogy, I first heard Interesting Ian use this analogy on the JREF forum many years ago before reading it other places too) Quote:
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Novella wrote '...all of the predictions that flow from the fact of strict materialism that have been resolved in the favor of materialism and against dualism. ...' |
This is nonsense
Novella may sound super confident but he is just arguing the fallacy that correlation means causation. It is like arguing skid marks are the cause of car accidents.
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Originally posted by Open Mind
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Originally Posted by Dr. Novella
If the mind is completely a product of the material function of the brain then:
| If the TV program content is completely the product of the function of the TV circuits then ....
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- There will be no mental phenomena without brain function.
| There will be no TV programs without a TV circuit
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- As brain function is altered, the mind will be altered.
| As the TV set channel, volume, contrast, tuning circuits are altered, the TV viewing content is altered
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- If the brain is damaged, then mental function will be damaged.
| If the TV circuits are damaged, then the TV viewing content will be damaged
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- Brain development will correlate with mental development.
| Digital TV development will correlate with TV viewing content development.
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- We will be able to correlate brain activity with mental activity – no matter how we choose to look at it.
| We will be able to corrolate TV circuit activity with TV viewing content activity, no matter how we choose to look at it.
In other words Novella's correlation arguments cannot be used as evidence of the brain creating consciousness any more than could be used as evidence of TV circuits creating TV programs.
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On top of this, contrary to Novella's claim that advances in knowledge support only materialism and not the brain as a filter of consciousness ....
- No location found for consciousness, nothing like a central processing unit either
- No location of long term memory (although memory is stored/filtered via hippocampus, it is not stored there)
- No location of tacit memory
- No location of freewill choice decisions
- No mechanism known to solve the 'binding problem'
- No reason for unconscious processes to evolve consciousness as a user illusion
- Long term memory survives brain damage and disease better than short term memory
Until these are found or solved, all of these arguably suggest the brain is a filter of a mind whether interactive dualism (or idealism) more so than the physical brain creating the mind.