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Originally Posted by Paul C. Anagnostopoulos 
Now, what conclusions can you draw from P1 alone? I already stated it:
C5. Therefore there can be no entity who believes it is conscious by a process X, unless that process is consciousness per se.
Originally Posted by Ian
Do you think that C5 is a necessary truth?
Paul
I have no idea, because I do not know what definitions you are assuming for belief, consciousness, and consciousness per se (if different from consciousness).
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For crying out loud! How many times must I copy and paste before you believe me when I say that consciousness is impossible to define??
Only that which is measurable (i.e physical) is possible to define. I mean by consciousness, qualia -- again how many times must I copy and paste before you believe me??
And when I say consciousness per se, this is not different from consciousness. I'm merely saying it is consciousness
in and of itself which necessarily is causally efficacious.
Now I ask again:
Do you think that C5 is a necessary truth??