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Old 04-20-2008, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul C. Anagnostopoulos View Post
Please define this "freewill" that is the cause.
I would say freewill = awareness of having a degree of choice and making a choice

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What causes it: how is it determined; what process produces it?
Does anyone know? All I am saying is the materialist's argument doesn't work , there is something wrong with it.

Why? Because there is no evolutionary advantage to unconscious processes becoming conscious, if consciousness is an illusion generated by the unconscious processes, there is no evolutionary advantage in a sense of conscious freewill either, if all choices are unconsciously made in brain prior to sense of freewill . ... this is an internal contradiction of materialist logic and a violation of materialist's natural selection, materialism is not enough IMHO...

Materialism reduces a sense of consciousness and a sense of freewill to pointless delusion, epiphenomena with no survival advantage other than self deception? Whose benefit is the self deception of freewill for? The materialist must answer it is for the benefit of the consciousness which is in turn is also viewed as a self deception? .

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Open Mind ...
Solved.
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Paul.....

Only in your own mind.

Do you understand that you have not defined freewill?
When I said 'solved' I meant there is no need to view 'Libertarian Freewill' as the only alternative to materialistic type of solutions. In response to the common question 'is life fate or freewill?' ....I was saying it is both. Our freewill is a cause, the effect is fate... the materialist is arguing fate is the cause, freewill is the effect. The exact opposite of our experience.

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