Chris & Venom ...
Let me respond to both your comments with a previous post .....
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Originally Posted by Open Mind  Randi often gives the impression he has tested many hundreds of people e.g. in this video, Randi makes a claim again around the 40:30 minute mark in video '....'We have filing cabinets just full .....[reference to picture of Kramer with cabinets] .... all with little red stickers on them. That means they have been tested - no good.....' YouTube - Authors@Google: James Randi This statement is false Randi is presenting applications (that never reached the stage of a test) as failed tests. The forum has always shown an impressive long list of seemingly active applications – but how many were tested?
Back in 2005, I tried to find out exactly how many Randi had actually tested. The topic is still there .... Exactly how many ‘Preliminary Tests’ have actually been conducted? - JREF Forum
You will see in Post 4 that someone directly quotes Kramer (Randi's challenge assistant at the time) as saying in another topic .... 'There have been two tests since my arrival here one year ago. My understanding is that there has never been more than a couple of tests per year.' |
(Note in post 4, the link doesn't work, however I read it at the time, this statement was missing did Kramer or someone else delete his comment? There is no reason to presume Kramer did not did not make that statement because he is clearly reading and taking part in the topic and didn't correct it. Also in the following topic, the same quoter (Gr8wight) is actually in private mail communication with Kramer, so perhaps Kramer said in e-mail not in public forum?
Can we get a Challenge historical wrapup/tally? [Archive] - JREF Forum
To return to the point ....
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.... Therefore, according to Kramer (Randi's challenge assistant) 2 per year over the 10 years (since it was increased to 1 million) = only 20 people tested?
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Why is Randi claiming he has tested hundreds, an application is meaningless, these were not tests at all...so is he counting his tests prior to $1million challenge? Dangling a $10,000 check in front of people and if they don't take up his challenge, it is notched up as a failed experiment?
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....What about Randi's past research? Kramer says in topic '.....based upon my preliminary investigation, is that Challenge records were VERY incomplete prior to my arrival here. There wasn't even a real application file before I got here. We have a few VHS tapes of some tests, but it's unclear how many of those were official JREF Challenge tests, as many of these tapes are VERY old and without any paperwork or accompanying data.....' |
Then we have Kramer (in another post, link is above) saying on looking it appears the results are worse than chance ... that is odd too.
Why are 'skeptics' placing value in Randi's past claims? Is it based upon past research or just faith in his claims or presentation of past research?
So ... with all the above going on, I suggest anyone (not particularly Alex) taking up the JREF challenge in future publicly insists, known open minded researchers are jointly involved with JREF die-hard skeptics to ensure all are playing fair during the actual prize challenge protocol/testing. What would be the problem with that?
