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Originally Posted by Chris Noble  Now you are simply accusing the JREF of cheating. |
I prefer the word 'misrepresentation'. It looks like deliberate misrepresentation to me.... how else can you explain ....
This means someone (probably Kramer) counted the number of applications. However they can't seem to count
the only important thing ... actual preliminary tests done 
Why? Probably because it shows JREF to have done so few since 1997 and Randi's credibility is compromised.
The website smudges the information with ......
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To date, how many persons have been tested for the million-dollar prize offered by JREF?
That's not a simple question to answer. Many hundreds have applied, and most have had to be instructed to reapply — sometimes several times — because they did it incorrectly or incompletely. There are, at any given time, about 40 to 60 applicants being considered, but from experience we know that the vast majority will drop out even before any proper preliminary test can be designed. Of those who get to the preliminary stage, perhaps a third will actually be tested, and some of those will quit before completion.
Million Dollar Challenge FAQ - James Randi Educational Foundation |
Randi didn't actually answer the question, the only indication is 'perhaps a third'? So that is
suggestive of 120 people have been tested by JREF? Here is my previous post on matter ....
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Originally Posted by Open Mind Randi often gives the impression he has tested many hundreds of people e.g. in this video, Randi makes a claim again around the 40:30 minute mark in video '....'We have filing cabinets just full .....[reference to picture of Kramer with cabinets] .... all with little red stickers on them. That means they have been tested - no good.....' YouTube - Authors@Google: James Randi This statement is false Randi is presenting applications (that never reached the stage of a test) as failed tests. The forum has always shown an impressive long list of seemingly active applications – but how many were tested?
Back in 2005, I tried to find out exactly how many Randi had actually tested. The topic is still there .... Exactly how many ‘Preliminary Tests’ have actually been conducted? - JREF Forum
You will see in Post 4 that someone directly quotes Kramer (Randi's challenge assistant at the time) as saying in another topic .... 'There have been two tests since my arrival here one year ago. My understanding is that there has never been more than a couple of tests per year.' |
(Note in post 4, the link doesn't work, however I read it at the time, this statement was missing did Kramer or someone else delete his comment? There is no reason to presume Kramer did not did not make that statement because he is clearly reading and taking part in the topic and didn't correct it. Also in the following topic, the same quoter (Gr8wight) is actually in private mail communication with Kramer, so perhaps Kramer said in e-mail not in public forum?
Can we get a Challenge historical wrapup/tally? [Archive] - JREF Forum
To return to the point ....
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.... Therefore, according to Kramer (Randi's challenge assistant) 2 per year over the 10 years (since it was increased to 1 million) = only 20 people tested?
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Why is Randi claiming he has tested hundreds, an application is meaningless, these were not tests at all...so is he counting his tests prior to $1million challenge? Dangling a $10,000 cheque in front of people and if they don't take up his challenge, it is notched up as a failed experiment?
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....What about Randi's past research? Kramer says in topic '.....based upon my preliminary investigation, is that Challenge records were VERY incomplete prior to my arrival here. There wasn't even a real application file before I got here. We have a few VHS tapes of some tests, but it's unclear how many of those were official JREF Challenge tests, as many of these tapes are VERY old and without any paperwork or accompanying data.....' |