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Old 07-01-2008, 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris Noble View Post
If you are going to appeal to quantum mechanics then you have to be honest and admit that none of the non-local phenomena allow transfer of information.

Firstly, I'll be honest and say that I don't understand quantum mechanics. I get the general idea but I can't do the maths. Second, why does ESP and such like have to involve information transfer? Demonstrations of non-locality may appear, to the non-physicist, to involve information transfer so why should we assume that our intuitive notions about how ESP has to work are correct?

Furthermore, to claim, as Venom did, that we have absolutely no idea how psi could work is not true since there are some scientitst who are saying otherwise. In fact, there are several different theories of psi that Radin outlines in Entangled Minds, all modifications of established physics. Perhaps you would like to comment on those?

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There is absolutely nothing in quantum mechanics that could possibly justify claims about esp, telekinesis or precognition etc.
I was wondering if you've read the paper that Radin cites in Entangled Minds:

Vandegrift, G. (1995). Bell's theorem and psychic phenomena. The Philosophical Quarterly, 45 (181), 471-476

According to Radin, Vandegrift thinks otherwise. I haven't read the paper myself and I'm not sure I would understand it even if I did. There are a number of other papers cited in Radin's book that look favourably on this issue. This indicates to me that we should look upon your opinion with scepticism Chris.

I'm all for the scientific community ditching QM as a possible explanation for psi if that really is the case. But I get the feeling that sometimes people let their emotions get the better of them when hard physics is mentioned in connection with psi phenomena.
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