[David Bailey]

This seems to be a bit like NDE's - somehow almost paranormal, nut not quite!

If paranormal phenomena generally are shown to be real, I think a model in which traditional material concepts represent some sort of limit when spiritual (not sure what word to use here) forces are not operating. There are lots of examples of this in existing science - Newton's laws are valid in the limit when things are moving slowly and the masses involved are not too small and not too great.

However, I feel it is important to evaluate the evidence for ψ before worrying too much about interpretation - otherwise people just try to explain phenomena with existing science, fail, and then discard the evidence!

Does anyone feel that my neural net argument is flawed - i.e. could this be a phenomenon that can be explained traditionally?

As regards Mike's point that not every recipient observes this effect - well surely that is true of medicine generally - drug side-effects and disease symptoms, they all vary from patient to patient!

I hope Joki contributes to this!

David