Can you feel energy?

[JustinK]

I am afraid that I am unable to feel others energy. I wish I could, that would sure make bonding with others a lot easier, but for now I am incapable.

[Pure Energy]

I believe that feeling other's energy is more a state of mind than anything else. If you think that you are incapable.... than you are incapable. My father always told me, "If you think you can, you can. If you think you can't... you're right!"

[poseidonhk]

I can feel it, surely. I keep of learning Qigong, which is a skill help for the health and it can also help to feel the energy of other people.

[SomaticDakini]

Hi Everyone,

I am new to this forum, posting for the first time today. As someone who has taught energy healing and offered sessions, my answer is yes, I feel energy. The way it feels varies, and my students have told me the same thing. It usually gets stronger with consistent practice over time. A few things you might feel are tingling, heat or chill, or a sense of subtle movement. You can also look for changes in your breathing. The more you are able to just experience whatever you experience, without trying to evaluate it while it is happening, the easier it will be to feel.

If you do not feel anything, and are able to just be present with that- without judging yourself or questioning the validity of what you are doing, it will increase the likelihood that you will be able to feel the energy, especially if you keep practicing. Still some people do not feel energy at all, but that does not mean it does not exist. One of my Reiki Teachers could not feel energy but when she taught me, I could feel it coming through her very strongly.

BTW, one of my favorite things to do is send energy via distance. If you want, you can relax, close your eyes, quiet your mind as best as you can and see if you can feel the energy I am sending you now. It does not matter if you are not reading this message at the exact time I am sending, or even if it is weeks, months or years later. I am sending in such a way that if you wish to try and feel it, it is available to you at any time, and for as many times as you wish to practice feeling it.

All the best,
Linda
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[P_Synthesis]

Not only can I feel energy, with this book:

Amazon.com: Energy Work: The Secret of Healing and Spiritual Development (9781571745408): Robert Bruce: Books

... anyone can within a short time.

There are plenty of good methods out there, but that is the one which works the quickest. Often the first time you use it, you feel it.

The same guy has many excellent OBE techniques too.

[Kim]

There are many kinds of energy. There is healing energy, there is a defensive or protective energy, that can repel other energies. The energy can move from any active chakra. The palms of the hands are commonly used for healing, but the heart chakra is probably the most powerful, at least in me. Sometimes the umbilic or third eye chakra can be used as well.

Energy either feels good or bad to you. Sometimes it isn't so much neg and positive as different. Some people feel different than others. This difference feels like electric shock or heat or oppression when you get close to them, but they aren't necessarily bad, nor do they necessarily have something bad it's just different. One has to differentiate between uncomfortable and harmful. There are harmful energies though, and those energies usually do more harm to their host than anyone else.

In my experience energy is produced by all people, in some form or other. Most energy is produced by the emotions of people. These things just surround them, like a cloud. This energy is undirected, and uncontrolled in most people, and it can be either harmful or helpful. It is these emotional energies that I have worked with most in my own practice. Most people might say that I work with psychological healings, but really... I've been more of an exorcist. Not that the answer is always to remove things. I see people's psychic content in the form of various entities. The most troublesome 'entities though, are also the most simple in origin.

If a person keeps the same emotion, especially a negative emotion for a long time the energy can develop a sort of "mind of it's own" especially if it is exposed to a lot of different people with the same emotion over years. It gradually changes from a weak energy field to a sort of combined force connecting to all the energies of all the people it met with that emotion and similar energy field. It forms a kind of network, of unified energy fields, which can actually become a force in society if unchecked... and eventually it may even become sentient on some level, at least enough to try to perpetuate that mood in more and more people. Eckhardt Toole coined the phrase "pain bodies" to describe these energic entities. These things do not die... since they were never alive, and sometimes we encounter pain bodies that are many generations old. These kinds of things can be dispelled, perhaps even destroyed, if they are caught early enough, but they do not just die of natural causes like people do, they grow stronger when they are fed the emotion they perpetuate, and weaker when ignored, or deserted, or when people refuse to feel the emotion any more, but they dont' just go away for no reason.

Sometimes these things are very small in their support base, only impacting one family, or a small group of friends, but sometimes these things grow to impact the whole world. For example the current financial crisis... is largely an energic problem. Sure there are political, economic, and societal causes, but all those boil down to the attitudes, and decisions of people, and the decisions of people are generally rooted in emotions, no matter how intelectual they claim their decision making processes are. Fear of loss and poverty have led to this situation. It's not just individual parinoia, it's mass hysteria. Even the greed of the wealthy is fear based. The hoplessness of the unemployed is the same emotion... It is fear, and as we all know, "fear is the mind killer." I guarantee that if every single person on earth woke up tomorrow with the belief that the economy was fixed, and took action towards positive growth, and even the rich became agressively investing, instead of hoarding their investment capital, everything else would fix itself.

It's all a matter of faith. I felt a rush of this awful energy recently, and it almost got hold of me, even though I know better. I spent a few days in utter dispare... but then I realized I was only feeding the beast, but by having an attack under my belt I know it's energy signature. I plan to go after this beast, soon. It can be combatted, and I have done similar work in the past.

Whether fighting for a single depressed friend, or taking on the forces behind a societal attitude it's a similar process. One comes against the force. Sometimes a force appears as an entity and one enters into meditation in order to fight the entity. In cases like this though, one comes against something that looks more like a weather front than an entity. In that case, it is much like the conditions one sees in a thunder storm. A cold front coming in from the north can be diverted by hot moist air from the south. When two opposing winds meet the strongest will pervail, but only after battle "thunderstorm"

Sometimes the difference between entities or forces is not size but age... this massive fear of poverty thing grew fast... over maybe ten years, and it grew enormous. On the other hand an individual, may have a pain body that belonged to his great great grand pa. The entity might not be big, but it would be very very developed. It would have a sort of intelect that developed over the years. These old ones are master manipulators. They can be addictive to the host, and have ways of making themselves desirable. Fruther they can put up quite an argument to the exorcist, and give a pretty strong strategic fight sometimes. It is very very difficult to cast these out, because the host often decides to keep them, and then one has little or no right to act on their behalf, no matter how distructive the thing is.

In general a force can be opposed, but it takes massive amounts of spiritual energy. Still in a case like this, one must either oppose it or give in to it. One cannot just ignore it once it has touched them. The steps are first free yourself from it's influence, see it for what it is, and then fight it.

There are many steps to fight negative energy... The first is cheerfulness. Cheerfulness of color, music, singing, smiling, whistle while you work... and a "be happy attitude" These things work well against depression.

The second is courage. One must be fearless in the face of the enemy, no matter how ugly and bizzare that enemy is. One should not ever proceed past this point until one can be absolutely fearless, and completely ready to be free from the influence of the spirit. If the entity has a grip on you, then inlist help, who are not afraid or influenced.

Third is preparation for battle. One gathers their strength, and makes preparations according to their individual practice. Some people use physical objects, draws circles, does ceremonial magic etc. For me the process is more internal and spiritual. Sometimes one contacts allies who will assist in the war.

The fourth is confrontation. One must confront the enemy, in meditation, or light trance, or however the individual enters the visionary state. This is a sort of visualization, but not in the sense of making up or imagining. One SEES the problem... until you see and get a feel for the enemy one can only do the first three steps. One vision quests, to seek out the enemy.


The first action, once one locates a sentient energy or entity is to just ask it to leave, or stop it's activity with a person or group of persons. Sometimes... most of the time really they either leave or discuss it calmly, and once you prove verbally that they are not wanted or needed, they will go. If they do not go, or stop what they are doing, then one wages war.


The battle involves the use of powerful chakras to force out energy in the direction of the enemy. The same positive energy that would bless a human being, will burn a negative energy field. However you have to push that energy out really hard and fast, with at least some intent to destroy or repel them. Your energy may appear as fire or light, or even cold or ice. or in some cases it's like thunder and lightening. You may call on angels, or God, or gods, for help, or whatever ally you have including human friends with abilities. Sometimes there are visualizations of sword fights as well, and over all, one just fights with all they have in whatever way possible.

Defeat is NOT an option. One never even considers the possibility. If one thinks it IS a possibility then one does not battle till those fears are under control. All injury is treated as illusional till after the battle. One does not picture themselves injured. If it appears heal it by imagining it away. If you focus on your injury it will only get worse... much worse, because it invokes fear. There is no surender, and you don't loose focus.

After the battle one cleans the battle field. No spots of neg energy or gore are left. Fire cleans it all, so call down a holy fire, over the astral scene. Only when every speck is gone does one have full victory... sometimes there are inconclusive battles but only if the enemy flees. Don't worry he'll be back, and you can fight another day.

Once you are done clean yourself very carefully. Dispose of any sort of energy residue, or visions of gore on your person.

After a battle you will need to rest.

Wow! I may have gone off topic here, but hopfully not too bad. It's a different type of healing... but it's still healing and energy.

[P_Synthesis]

Kim you're plainly experienced.

On this:

If a person keeps the same emotion, especially a negative emotion for a long time the energy can develop a sort of "mind of it's own" especially if it is exposed to a lot of different people with the same emotion over years.... Eckhardt Toole coined the phrase "pain bodies" to describe these energic entities. These things do not die...

You're quite right that this happens, but these things can of course die if you do energy work combined with looking into yourself.

Not sure Eckhart Tolle would be too thrilled with your misspelling of his name!

Also I don't agree with you about the financial crisis... it is caused by greed and shrinking resource bases much more than by fear of scarcity. In fact a little more fear of scarcity in many might help... if it was motivating and constructive fear rather than alarmist or defeatist.

I think it's great that you want overcome negativity, but I don't like the battle metaphor. I have found that quiet self-knowledge can overcome the hold negativity has on you... and you need to be sensitive to your own beliefs. Human psychology can be kind of complicated.

[Kim]

Thanks for responding P_Synthesis... I'm glad to hear from you.

Kim you're plainly experienced.

Thanks, and yes.Trained and experienced.

On this:


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If a person keeps the same emotion, especially a negative emotion for a long time the energy can develop a sort of "mind of it's own" especially if it is exposed to a lot of different people with the same emotion over years.... Eckhardt Toole coined the phrase "pain bodies" to describe these energic entities. These things do not die...

You're quite right that this happens, but these things can of course die if you do energy work combined with looking into yourself.

I meant that they do not die of natural causes, like old age. They can be changed or destroyed, but more often they just leave the host, and live on elsewhere in someone else. I once experienced this sad truth with a family related spirit. There were four siblings who had an amazing number of pain bodies, and also a few higher entities. The kids were not so bad off till their mom died. I worked with alll four of them and everytime I cleaned one the others got worse. I moved those things from one person to another about six or eight times. Every time I ended up with one or two clean and the others on the verge of insanity. It has taken years, and two are still not doing well... by choice somewhat.

Now I admit this was not a typical case. This case involved levitation of objects, pure insanity in it's hosts, and gave me a fight I thought I would die of quite a few times. Not only did I fight the entities spiritually, but the hosts attacked me, a couple of times physically but more commonly with outrageous gossip, bizzare behvior, and various acts of spite, whenever they relapse. I agree that for most situations, energy work frees the subject, and while the spirit likely moves on to another host, it is barely noticable in most cases because it is a small number of weak forces... but no, unless you use a method that destroys the energy, transmutes the energy, or imprisons the energy... then the energy just moves to another host. I know because I've seen it. In many cases though if it is just low level energy it can be transmuted. "cheered up" LOL

Not sure Eckhart Tolle would be too thrilled with your misspelling of his name!

Sorry. I should have looked it up. It's been a while since I read his book. Overall I agree with him but he tends to simplify things a bit too much for my taste. He's right overall, on everything pretty much... but he could go deeper. Anyway I am just glad to find someone to talk to here. I've been posting for days without a reply. I really didn't think anyone was reading.

Also I don't agree with you about the financial crisis... it is caused by greed and shrinking resource bases much more than by fear of scarcity. In fact a little more fear of scarcity in many might help... if it was motivating and constructive fear rather than alarmist or defeatist.

IMO Fear, on a energic level is never a good thing. One cannot work when they are afraid. One can recognize a problem without being afraid. One can acknowledge their errors without being afraid, but once one is completely overwhelmed by fear they are helpless to do anything. Fear is a handicap. Especially if the fear is felt in the heart chakra, or in the body then that fear is hurting you. Sure logically acknowledging the problem and working to solve it are very necessary, but if you are stressed then your work will be second rate to non existant. Some stress can be a good thing, but what I'm talking about is overwhelming. I think this, the balance of stressors in the work place is the biggest problem employeers make. I've seen times when a tyrant of a boss would cut productivity by probably 75 percent by creating too much stress. The same kind of boss will loose a million dollars to save a quarter. The reason he acts this way is in itself a type of fear. He fears, so he forces his fear on his underlings, when he should really be encouraging creativity, group problem solving, and a spirit of cooperation and company pride.

Greed is fear based, just as surely as starvation causes very rational fear. Scarcity is only of certain resources that are not renewable. Renewable energy is a highly repressed science and has been for the last 30 years at least. They repress grain alcohol, so that it takes more paper work, and pay offs to build a still for fuel purposes, than the project would be worth to all but the most diligent of applicants. They claim they are afraid people will drink it, but that's nonsense, they don't care nearly as much about people drinking moonshine, as they do about keeping the price of oil up. I met one guy back in the late seventies that did get his licence, for running shine in his car, and making a display of what he was doing. He said that for 69 dollars, he adapted his car... anyone can build a still out of household items, yet it cost him thousands in fees, and ect. Additionally if we legalized hemp(and it's more exciting wife Marajuana, and used it in every application we now use wood for, it would solve the problem entirely, and it is possible, but again the government represses in the name of puritanical values. The original reason hemp is illegal is because of the timber industry. That is why... GREED it all boils down to greed, which boils down to fear. Frankly fear of not being a billionare any more is greater than the fear of starvation for a bum on the street.

However no, the current downturn is NOT a good thing. Industry has been moved out of the supervision of stricter governments and is largely located in third world countries where it is not being policed by anyone. Energy and renewable resources are not being concerved. Our government is now paying lip service to renewable energy, after thirty years of being repressed. The last time... maybe the only time renewable energy was encouraged was during the Carter administration. He caught resistance every step of the way, and as soon as he left office, all that work was virtually destroyed. The idea of using renewable resources other than for food, has never been explored, by the US government.

Our situation is quite dire, but not because of the absence of resources, only because of the suppression of knowledge, and green technology for the last 30 years, by greedy corporate types who fear they will loose control of consumers. There are people in high places who do NOT want us to stop or even slack up on using oil, and wood till the last tree, and oil drop are gone. That is greed too, but the important thing to remember is that greed is just another kind of fear. The miser billionare is more fearful of loosing a dollar than the starving family. Why? Because money truely is their God, and they know of no other. They have counted on money and nothing else all their lives. They know nothing of work, or doing things for themselves, so of course they are terrified of loosing their provider. Those rich greedy graspers are sick... as surely as the insane and the possessed. They value money over human life, or the survival of the planet, and they do not respect the sweat of honest working people.

I think it's great that you want overcome negativity, but I don't like the battle metaphor. I have found that quiet self-knowledge can overcome the hold negativity has on you... and you need to be sensitive to your own beliefs. Human psychology can be kind of complicated.

Battle is not a metphor, it's a last resort, but something someone has to be prepared to do, if necessary. Not everyone is cut out for battle, but some of us specalize in it, and people who have serious problems have to learn their own methods of battle. It isn't always a battle, even for me, but sometimes it is. The main thing you have to remember is that you do not battle the person. One does not battle psychic content. One does not battle the human soul. Humans are all beautiful on a soul level, but often the soul is being repressed, and choked out by monsterous things. They have free will, and as long as they want these things there is nothing anyone can do. If they seek help though, one must determine if they really want to be helped enough to give up these things. IF so, and only if they do, can you remove these things.

Many people are uncomfortable with battle, but believe me sometimes it is necessary. It isn't the best option, but occasionally it is the only option, and you don't know that till you are pretty deep in the situation.

One can weaken a universal force though. It is NOT sentient yet, and it can be combatted. It CAN be done and has been done in the case of mass hysteria many times. Other than battle, simple logic helps. As long as the world media speaks fear more than solution, we will have chaos. The TRUTH would help at this point, coupled with an honest desire to fix this problem, and a real solution. People would come up with solutions if they were not so afraid. Had the people of the first great depression, not at least partly believed, "there is nothing to fear but fear itself" we'd still be in that one.

[P_Synthesis]

Thanks, and yes.Trained and experienced.

Me too.

Yes I have heard about phenomena like the 'passing amongst families' and even experienced it in my own family on occasion.

Anyway I am just glad to find someone to talk to here. I've been posting for days without a reply. I really didn't think anyone was reading.

I am mostly on the skeptiko podcast forum... for other more spiritual topics I tend to hang elsewhere, but that forum (and the associated podcast) are very good I think.

Sure logically acknowledging the problem and working to solve it are very necessary, but if you are stressed then your work will be second rate to non existant.

Oh absolutely. I am not talking about the disabling kind of fear -- perhaps 'concern' would be a better word.

I must disagree with you re: renewable energy, I hope this is not a problem! I find that civilized, well-meant and reasonable disagreement can be useful and even pleasant. Personally, I don't believe grain alcohol can solve any fuel shortage because there is a simultaneous food shortage developing which competes for growing space.

I also would say that whilst this:

There are people in high places who do NOT want us to stop or even slack up on using oil, and wood till the last tree, and oil drop are gone.

... is certainly true to an extent, it is of course equally true that none of those people could really prevent anyone moving to a different lifestyle, which I believe must be done anyway. And it is being done actually -- see Transition Towns for example. I think that is much more likely to work than a return to the Carter era, but then, things have not really started to bite yet. Once stagflation returns, along with more oil shocks, and a lack of financial recovery, people may start to question more seriously. Actually this is already happening in the UK -- today I saw an article on the BBC website about a 'return to the make & mend society'.

I certainly agree that the scarcity mentality has caused multiple difficulties, but personally, I would put the current issues more at the door of belief in materialist progress as the cure of all ills.

They have free will, and as long as they want these things there is nothing anyone can do. If they seek help though, one must determine if they really want to be helped enough to give up these things. IF so, and only if they do, can you remove these things.

I totally agree with that. In my opinion, though, being determined on the part of someone with difficult entity issues is not quite sufficient. Once the entities are removed, if the person does not learn from the experience, they will return, or a new similar situation will arise, or things will be passed around acquaintances as you mentioned before. What really seems to transmute things once and for all is self-knowledge.

With whom did you train if it is ok to ask?

[Kim]

Me too.

Cool that you are trained... training is difficult to aquire sometimes, especially in the time and place I came from.

Anyway it is great to have someone to converse with about this, because I like to have additional POVs.I do apprecate your input. I am still in this tiny southern town, and I do see a different side of things than someone in the UK.

Oh absolutely. I am not talking about the disabling kind of fear -- perhaps 'concern' would be a better word.

Oh yes concern is always a good thing. It's just worry, panic and terror that are such a problem.

I must disagree with you re: renewable energy, I hope this is not a problem! I find that civilized, well-meant and reasonable disagreement can be useful and even pleasant. Personally, I don't believe grain alcohol can solve any fuel shortage because there is a simultaneous food shortage developing which competes for growing space.

Oh no, it's what I prefer really. I only have a rural American view of this.

Here in America there is no shortage of anything except money. and jobs. Inflation is ungodly, and I suspect that unemployment is much higher than they report. They are saying 10-12 percent, and believe me it is much worse than that here.

Factories have all closed but a handful in our area. Blue collar work once paid an average living wage... which was not extravagant but provided a modest but comfortable life for most Americans. Very few Americans are middle class, that is a total misnomer. The median income is $40K annual. Only about 15 percent have enough money to live like people on american situation comedies... Here in NC where I live, $40K a year means a mobile home, and a couple of used cars. Somewhere like California it wouldn't even be that. Now that is business as usual, but now things are so much worse, with the job shortage, and the inflation. Prices have doubled on most items in the last several years, while wages have dropped significantly... in many cases by more than half, if one can find a job.

People are frightened and desperate. Small business has dried up almost completely and has been replaced by huge chain stores. Many people are selling off their possessions in order to survive. The flea markets are full of people trying to sell family heirlooms, old clothing, and various toys.

As for shortages of grain... that is downright laughable to me. The US has huge grain reserves which it buys up to prevent gluts on the market. It's been that way since I can remember. As a child my father was a grain farmer, many of my relatives still are. Did you know that the US Government has paid farmers NOT to grow certain grains for the last 45 years at least? Did you also know that the price of grain did not increase in price from 1929, to at least 1972? I really don't know what it is now, but the fact is that grain is not in short supply, only that it isn't worth growing due to the negative profit margin, between equipment and supplies which are high, and the price it brings which is insanely low.

More interest would be spawned and grain would be incredibly plentiful if it brought a fair price. As a matter of fact farming of ANYTHING is not profitable here in the states. Less than five percent of the workforce in the US is involved in agriculture anymore, and that is plenty to provide food for the whole world. Most farmers could be more productive if it were more profitable. Food prices are inflated by stores, and other middle men, but not the farmer, who essentially gets nothing! About 20 years ago, many farms were forclosed on, both in the midwest and here. About 30 years ago many farmers sold their land here, seeing no future in farming. Land isn't not used for farming because of crowding, but because it just costs too much to farm, and there is NO reward in it at all other than personal satisfaction, and satisfaction does not pay the bills.

If grain were in demand, more people would farm, and the price would go up, but since it is such a tiny fraction of what the grocery store charges for food, I hardly see it being a real factor in price. gas prices for shipping have impacted the price of food far more than a few more pennies for the farmer... or mybe a whole penny per item for the farmer instead of a fraction. It's the huge store chains and the oil companies who are taking all the money. Good farming techniques prevent depletion of the soil, and the US could easily quadrouple production of food, if there were any income in it at all. Actually the farm soil everywhere is in better shape than it was 60 years ago. Irrigation could open up more lands in the west as well if production would pay enough to merrit it.

How is it in the UK? Have you seen any shortages? Are you or your neighbors out of work too? Do you guys still have room to farm... I mean surely in Australia and Canada there is room to grow five times what you could use.

I also would say that whilst this:


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There are people in high places who do NOT want us to stop or even slack up on using oil, and wood till the last tree, and oil drop are gone.

... is certainly true to an extent, it is of course equally true that none of those people could really prevent anyone moving to a different lifestyle, which I believe must be done anyway. And it is being done actually -- see Transition Towns for example. I think that is much more likely to work than a return to the Carter era.

Here the average person cannot afford to do any major changes right now. I know you hear a different story on the internet from some individuals, but most people are struggling terribly. However there is a sense here, that most people don't matter, and only the rich deserve to live. This is evidenced by our health care system... or lack of it as the case may be. Most of us are in dire straights. WE can't afford our current power bill, much less to upgrade our homes. We are heating with heaters intended for garages, and with anything we could find during the recent cold weather. People are dying from unvented heaters, and even trying to heat the house with chrcoal. Also we have families living in their cars. How are they going to simplify their lives fruther?

I certainly agree that the scarcity mentality has caused multiple difficulties, but personally, I would put the current issues more at the door of belief in materialist progress as the cure of all ills.

Oh I see where you are coming from. I totally agree that keeping up with the Jones is a crazy persuit, but things are very very dire here. I'm talking about fighting poverty here, not materialism. Ragged kids following their despondent looking mothers as they drag around in unheated flea markets looking for deals on produce and dented cans, or trying to get a good price for grandma's jewelry. I see Oliver Twist type stuff every day.

It's not greedy to want food, clothing and shelter for your children. It's not greedy to want to be able to pay your bills or even to buy a book or movie you want, or christmas presents for your kids. These people have never lived extravagantly most Americans don't. It's only that very verbal minority of people who wish to be in denial of this. They are all over the internet, calling people loosers and shiftless bums, when really these are hard working people who can't find a job at all or can't find one good enough to support their family.

I totally agree with that. In my opinion, though, being determined on the part of someone with difficult entity issues is not quite sufficient. Once the entities are removed, if the person does not learn from the experience, they will return, or a new similar situation will arise, or things will be passed around acquaintances as you mentioned before. What really seems to transmute things once and for all is self-knowledge.

Oh I agree 110 percent on that. You virtually have to train the person just as you were trained if possible.

With whom did you train if it is ok to ask?

I'd love to tell you my background. I like to talk in case you haven't noticed. LOL

I started life as a natural light trance medium with intense visions. I remember seeing things from the time I was two... In addition I had the strange ability to see out of my father's farm hand's eyes, and here his thoughts in words. He could speak through me, and hear what was said in my presence. I was totally stunned though when he died, when I was 13 and he was 23. In most ways though he is still with me.

Anyway by the time I met my teacher I was convinced my abilities were just a sign I was nuts. Still I could not ignore them... They were very vivid, and felt extremely real.

I met my teacher in the Assemblies of God church. She had a lot of natural abilities like myself. She was pleased to find me as well, because we both saw everything the other saw, with no descrepency. Like her I did not overtly color everything I saw in christian terms. I just saw what I saw very clearly, though she did have to convince me I wasn't crazy for seeing it.

She had been trained in Florida. She was officially the head of our inner healing and deliverance program at the church. The program was fully accreditied at first, but was later completely disavowed by our denomination as a dangerous practice. She imparted a broad base of mystic knowledge adapted to christian thought... and we researched cases extensively. But it was a really wide spectrum of teaching I got. Various healing techniques, vision questing, and most of all freedom from fear. When I finished I had a definite mandate to keep learning. My teacher was always learning even as she taught, and I was right there with her. She had sifted my subconscious, my soul and my entire being before she finished with me.