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Skeptiko Haven Rules

Welcome to Skeptiko Haven.

The simple rules here:
  1. We don’t discuss general materialist explanations for ‘psi’ and related phenomena. Anyone wanting to suggest materialism as the explanation for paranormal or spiritual phenomena is directed to the Skeptiko Forum.
  2. In particular, anyone suggesting or implying that it is ridiculous, inherently stupid, etc., to talk about non-materialist experiences and paradigms, especially in what the moderator considers to be a rude, abrupt or threatening fashion, will be instantly suspended. First suspension: 3 weeks; second: 3 months; third: indefinite. (Unfortunately, experience of the older forum makes this rule seem advisable.)
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The Singularity Delusion

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  • #16
    Originally posted by Bucky View Post
    Just finished watching this interview with Noam Chomsky:
    Noam Chomsky: The Singularity is Science Fiction! - YouTube
    Great find Bucky. Thanks for the link. Chomsky is, as usual, completely right. His point that AI = Programs, not Machines themselves, is so often lost in this discussion. This is why I emphasized Lanier's perspective, as I think it gets to the root of the issue. Moore's Law does not extend to programs. There are therefore extreme limitations on what can be accomplished. Period.

    I also liked how he basically shrugged off the Singularity as almost not worth discussing, because quite simply it isn't.

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