Roger Penrose, in both of his books, points out an enduring mystery that is often not thought about all too often: That a majority of (currently known) math does not have any physical counterpart, or put differently, and relevance for making predictions for physical behavior. In other words, we have only used only a small subset of mathematics to make the powerful physical predictions we have in the history of science.

On the other hand, it seems that most people associate a "materialistic" theory as one that follows physical laws, which are modeled, of course, using math. We know from above, however, that much of math does not describe anything physical.

Can something exist that is modeled with math but

Other threads on here have discussed the whole deterministic vs. random thing. In addition, a possible third option has been brought up and discussed. It's an area that has yet to be worked out. This is a non-computational theory of "physics". (Again, this is also something suggested by Penrose). Are there other options we haven't thought of yet?

I guess where I am going with this is here:

**Is there a subset of mathematics (possibly a non-computational flavor of math) out there that will form a set of laws that some parapsychological (spiritual) phenomenon will follow, but does not necessarily correspond to anything physical, like the behavior of matter? In other words, the effect may not be

**Furthermore, is it possible that by studying the relationships between whatever this new mathematical theory turns out to be and the existing mathematical theories we currently use to explain the behavior of matter (what we normally consider materialistic theories), we can discover how the two "worlds" interface? (Once again, since consciousness seems to be the leading (only?) area where we currently believe the two "worlds" might interface, the inner experience of the human being would be pivotal)

**In addition, since math would be used to bridge the two worlds, describing one (the physical) fully and the other (the spiritual) probably only partially, would this not show the two worlds are actually not absolute opposites (material vs. immaterial), but rather are related and share certain features along a continuum?

**If all this came to be, would we still consider science to be a purely materialistic pursuit? Or, would some try to define and extend the definition of "materialistic"

On the other hand, it seems that most people associate a "materialistic" theory as one that follows physical laws, which are modeled, of course, using math. We know from above, however, that much of math does not describe anything physical.

Can something exist that is modeled with math but

*not*be physical, in the way we currently use the term? (I think if one could go back in time and tell one of the early Greek scientists that a photon has no mass and does not experience the passage of time they might answer "yes" to this question)Other threads on here have discussed the whole deterministic vs. random thing. In addition, a possible third option has been brought up and discussed. It's an area that has yet to be worked out. This is a non-computational theory of "physics". (Again, this is also something suggested by Penrose). Are there other options we haven't thought of yet?

I guess where I am going with this is here:

**Is there a subset of mathematics (possibly a non-computational flavor of math) out there that will form a set of laws that some parapsychological (spiritual) phenomenon will follow, but does not necessarily correspond to anything physical, like the behavior of matter? In other words, the effect may not be

*directly*physically measurable, but could be empirically verified via experiments (by possibly measuring indirect physical consequences) where it would seem the effects of the inner experience of the human being would be pivotal!**Furthermore, is it possible that by studying the relationships between whatever this new mathematical theory turns out to be and the existing mathematical theories we currently use to explain the behavior of matter (what we normally consider materialistic theories), we can discover how the two "worlds" interface? (Once again, since consciousness seems to be the leading (only?) area where we currently believe the two "worlds" might interface, the inner experience of the human being would be pivotal)

**In addition, since math would be used to bridge the two worlds, describing one (the physical) fully and the other (the spiritual) probably only partially, would this not show the two worlds are actually not absolute opposites (material vs. immaterial), but rather are related and share certain features along a continuum?

**If all this came to be, would we still consider science to be a purely materialistic pursuit? Or, would some try to define and extend the definition of "materialistic"

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