Have you used homeopathy drugs?

[jacob]

Have you ever used or know someone who took homeopathy drugs?
Was it helping, in your opinion?

[mcairo]

A very popular solution in California (don't know about elsewhere) to help relieve the suffering of young infants who are teething is to apply a few homeopathic teething pills underneath the tongue.

Now I can't say for sure with a 100% certainty, but the pills seemed to work with both of my children. I don't know what's even in them, but they are sold at places like Whole Foods and Wild Oats and parents swear by them.

[RainCrow]

My chiropractor 25 years ago gave me a homeopathic remedy for achy kidneys. It worked great. It was drops of a clear liquid to be added to a glass of water. It took away the pain and made the kidneys work better.

Recently I have taken a homeopathic remedy in an herbal base to chase away body and leg aches. It works as well as aspirin or tylenol, but I don't know whether the effects (which last about 8 hours) are due to the homeopatic remedy or the herbs.

If you want to read a fascinating study involving homeopathy, you can find a report of some research in which homeopathic dilutions past 24X (the point at which no actual molecules should be found in the solution) read about the experiment with the frog hearts related in McTaggart's "The Field." She comes to some amazing conclusions that it is not the molecules of substance in a homeopathic remedy as much as it is the pattern of vibration of that substance that makes it work at extreme dilutions. The science behind these experiments is carefully devised, and the results striking.

[Angelhr]

The widely touted benefits of homeopathic drugs are merely placebo effects, a new study suggests.

Clinical trials almost always show that patients given inactive sugar pills -- placebos -- do better than untreated patients. It's called the placebo effect.

Clinical trials of homeopathic remedies sometimes show that these treatments work better than placebos. But a new analysis -- comparing published studies of homeopathic drugs to matched, randomly selected studies of medical drugs -- suggests that these apparent homeopathic drug effects are merely placebo effects.

Want to know more about Herbal medicines "herbalmedicines"

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

Since most homeopathic remedies do not contain a single molecule of the supposed active ingredients, it is hard to see how they could work. In order to circumvent this obvious problem, homeopaths have to propose some pretty dicey ideas about the memory of water and so forth.

~~ Paul

[jacob]

But Dean Radin has performed a seemingly successful experiments with water impressions with the team of the Japanese person, Emoto, where effects on water were tested in double blind setup.

See here:
Entangled Minds: Effects of distant intention on water crystals

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

You have no reason to believe me when I say that I am usually fairly polite, but it is true. Dean Radin is a maroon. These studies are like prayer studies. How do you control for all the other people who are praying?

Even if water crystals can be futzed with, and even if the resulting patterns can be maintained in a small vial of liquid water, how does that grant to water the ability to simulate thousands of arbitrary molecules?

~~ Paul

[jacob]

Originally Posted by Paul C. Anagnostopoulos

You have no reason to believe me when I say that I am usually fairly polite, but it is true.

Actually, reading all your posts on the forums I have no reason to believe otherwise. You are a very well-behaving debator here and very welcomed.

Originally Posted by Paul C. Anagnostopoulos

Dean Radin is a maroon. These studies are like prayer studies. How do you control for all the other people who are praying?

Even if water crystals can be futzed with, and even if the resulting patterns can be maintained in a small vial of liquid water, how does that grant to water the ability to simulate thousands of arbitrary molecules?

~~ Paul

I don't undestand the simulation part. I don't think that the intention, if it has effect, only affects a specific water molecule (or a small group that later becomes the crystal) but rather all vial's content.

I'm buying automatically into all Radin writes or does but I don't like people attacking him for nothing. After all, he only seems one of the very little people with actual expertise in science and also some funds to do some real research on fringe sceince. Of course, he might be wrong on certain accounts and I don't buy all of his theories but I like that he produces interesting experiments with scientific base.

By the way, if we talk about intentions affecting the world, what do you think about the current results of the ongoing Global Consciousness Project?

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

Originally Posted by Jacob

I don't undestand the simulation part. I don't think that the intention, if it has effect, only affects a specific water molecule (or a small group that later becomes the crystal) but rather all vial's content.

I don't understand what this has to do with homeopathy. There is no intentionality step to preparing homeopathic medications. And even if there was, how can I "intention" water so that it behaves like a complex molecule? Are you saying I can just intention the water to cure HIV and it will?

I'm buying automatically into all Radin writes or does but I don't like people attacking him for nothing.

I've watched his work for years. I think he is a bad scientist.

By the way, if we talk about intentions affecting the world, what do you think about the current results of the ongoing Global Consciousness Project?

This is what I think about the state of the PEAR lab:

Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research

A careful reading of this paper reveals the long-term results of their remote perception experiments:

http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/pdfs/jse_papers/IU.pdf

As far as the GCP experiments are concerned, I await their first prediction of a world-shaking event.

~~ Paul