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How do you know it was the creator of the universe that you saw in your dream? |
First off, I was asked "can you describe how God appeared in your dreams? ", and the answer I gave is exactly that, no more. I do not claim to know that it really is the creator of the universe. Although I don't doubt it, I didn't write it in my answer, so you are assuming a bit here.
Also, you might be surprised how rare dreams of God are, even among the religious. I have dreamed of him a comparatively small number of times, about a third of one percent of all my dreams,
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Isn't it far more likely that it was just a dream, a little bit random, a little bit based on thoughts, feelings, experiences etc.
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Not really. Again, you assume a great deal here. For instance, if you dreamed of God tonight, and I asked you to describe his appearance and you did, your answer wouldn't look much different than mine. Should I then start complaining to you the way you have here? Simply describing what you remember, regardless whether it really is God or one of these other things you suggest, is a completely legitimate thing to do, or is no one allowed to dream of God because it is too controversial? Have you ever dreamed of God? In all my life, I've met only two other people who have dreamed of him. I'm sure there are more, but it is not a common thing.
As for the body of your question, the "more likely" bit doesn't work here. After looking through the collection I have, and verifying the ones I could, I have discovered that the sort of dreams you describe, most of which are described more commonly as "day resonance", are even rarer than dreams of God. Most dreams in my collection are unverifiable, meaning there is no way to determine if they are true or not. Of those, a large number cannot be associated with the kind of syndromes you describe. They look like verified psi dreams of various types, except they center on persons or places unknown to me, so they cannot be checked.
The dreams that are clearly affected by my thought, on examination look like a straight psi dream with interference. Overall, dreams appear to be psi in almost all cases. Only very rarely are they clearly a matter of random thoughts as you suggest.
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I have loads of weird and wacky dreams as I'm sure you do.
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I have found that dreams tend to look that way if you do not have good recall or do not know how to record them. For instance, before I knew I was dreaming of real events in other people's lives, I didn't know what to do with all these dreams of friends and family, particularly those where I got angry with them for ignoring me. When I started checking into them, I discovered that the things I saw in the dream matched events in their life, but I wasn't there yelling at them to get their attention, at least, they didn't notice. After I figured this out, I learned to filter those kinds of things when I recorded them, by couching the description with a disclaimer that it appeared I was trying to interact, without a physical means of doing so. With practice, it becomes easy to spot these mistakes, and dreams become much less strange.
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I'm sure you're an absolutely fantastic guy but why do you persist in this fantasy? Is life really so boring without it.
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Strong words from someone with little experience. You sound like one of my nineteen year-old students. You make several assumptions here, one of which is a blend of hope and sarcasm "I'm sure you are an absolutely fantastic guy". The others, that I am fantasizing or that my life is boring, are simply gratuitous and ignorant. People I know tend to think I have a very exciting life (it doesn't feel that way to me, but I understand why they say it), and as for the fantasy, that would be what I lived if I decided to ignore the many things I have seen that conclusively prove psi. You haven't had this experience, so it is hard to understand, but for me to deny it would be as bizarre as to suggest that you were born on Venus, have three heads, and enjoy eating French poodles for lunch.
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Also, for the record, I really don't mean to offend but your arrogance is starting to show in your posts and considering this is a public forum I have right to my opinion.
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I have a reputation for arrogance, built up from early childhood, that needs to be maintained. I don't think it is well-deserved, but it is so consistent, I have learned to embrace it. As for you, have I ever said otherwise? I'm not all that interested in anyone's rights to an opinion, because it is clear we all have them, but if I'm asked a question, I'll answer it. If I have a thought I'd like to share based on something I've read, I'll share it. If my comments tend to negate your opinions, it isn't an effort to annoy or harm.
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You are stating as if it were fact that you have seen god in your dreams.
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This is a fact. I have my journals, the record is plain on this issue. I have seen God in my dreams. There is no way around it, sorry.
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Not just seeing an idea of god or your particular opinion on what god could be like. You are again claiming your dreams are some kind of projector screen receiving images from the outside world.
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Not just me, but many others also. I think it likely that at any given time in the history of the created universe, God, angels, and spirits have been in contact with incarnated spirits while their bodies sleep.
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I'm new but seeing as this is the Skeptiko forum, have you discussed setting up a protocol for exploring your claims scientifically?
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Yes. I have a scientist friend who has been after me for twenty years or so to do this. He happened to become a part of several of my psi experiences, and is either bothered, fascinated, or simply curious about it. I don't like the sort of tests he's come up with so far because they don't appear likely to succeed, but more recently we've reopened the subject. I am also in touch with a couple other people about this. From my point of view however, scientific tests aren't all that important.
I'm willing to discuss it with my friend, and even to do it if we come up with a good test, primarily to satisfy his curiosity, not mine. I already know the answer, but because his interest is genuine, I don't mind helping him out, or others, if they are interested. The problem is that the nature of "scientific tests" tends to negate psi. Keep in mind, psi is not a force. It is an aspect of our natural environment and ourselves that is difficult to see with our physical senses and any physical apparatus. Not only that, but our physical bodies may be partly designed (this is a theory of mine, not something I claim to "know") to interact physically for reasons that negate normal awareness of our spiritual aspects. This would also make testing difficult if not pointless.
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If your ability is really true then in 2,901 dreams you should have tonnes of evidence which we could use to test your claims.
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That is how I look at it, yes.
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You can't just keep putting across extraordinary claims in such a blase' way on a science forum without people like me getting all upset! :P
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Imagine how it looks to me. It is the same. Your statements and those of other skeptics, appear to be quite backward to me. But then, I know that the illusion you see is beneficial to you somehow, so it doesn't bother me too much, as long as you remain civil, which you have for the most part.
To be completely frank here, I have no expectation that anyone would immediately accept anything I have to say on these subjects. This is not the same as watering down or qualifying my answers because I know others find the information difficult to swallow. My answers are correct, and will be described in no other way, regardless of any adverse reaction.
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Why we don't see God 
God in your dreams... 
