Mind Body Problem

[LeoM]

I wonder here think's will be the solution to the mind body problem? I think that the evidence for a soul is very strong I think until we get more scientists to look at the data for survival we will continue to be the same worldview we are in the materialist reductionistic worldview.

[jacob]

Welcome aboard, LeoM!

Although I've seen heard of interesting stories about NDE and astral projection, I would still prefer you mention some of the evidence, which you find very strong.

I'd like to see it too.

[LeoM]

Thankyou Jacob, The evidences I find very strong are the accurate out of body perceptions

Here's some of the ones I read up on with accurate out of body perceptions
Here's ones i found on verdical nde perceptions

Julie NDE 3112
Robert E NDE 2967
Della M NDE 2966
Sally S's NDE 1484OBE
RF's NDE 2910
Ruud L's NDE 2819
Warida NDE 2870
Bernardita B NDE 3020
Gwen P NDE 3014
Sandra J NDE 2987
Tim B NDE 2957
Barbara G NDE 2946
Francesca T NDE 2440
Earl W's NDE
Sherry G's NDE
Amy P's NDE 2432
Andy N's NDE 2292
Graciela H's NDE 2274
Monik J's NDE 1114
Billy D's NDE
Andrew C's NDE

1. The case of Al Sullivan: Al was a 55 year old truck driver who was undergoing triple by-pass surgery when he had a powerful NDE that included an encounter with his deceased mother and brother-in-law, who told Al to go back to his to tell one of his neighbors that their son with lymphoma will be OK. Furthermore, during the NDE, Al accurately noticed that the surgeon operating on him was flapping his arms in an unusual fashion, with his hands in his armpits. When he came back to his body after the surgery was over, the surgeon was startled that Al could describe his own arm flapping, which was his idiosyncratic method of keeping his hands sterile.

2. The case of the Chinese woman: The author Maggie Callanan in her 1993 book, Final Gifts, wrote about an elderly Chinese woman who had an NDE in which she saw her deceased husband and her sister. She was puzzled since her sister wasn't dead, or so she thought. In actuality, her family had hid her sister's recent death from her for fear of upsetting her already fragile health.

3. The case of Pam Reynolds:This is reported by Michael Sabom in his book Light and Death. Pam Reynolds underwent a very risky operation to remove an aneurysm from her brain, in which her brain was drained totally of its blood so that the doctors could clip off the swollen blood vessel. During this procedure, Pam had a deep NDE in which she saw all of the details of the operation and later reported on it with complete accuracy, even though she was "dead" by usual criteria (no heartbeat or respiration, and a flat EEG) for much of it.

4. Cases of the blind who can see: As recorded by Kenneth Ring in his book, Mind Sight, there is solid evidence for 31 cases in which blind people report visually accurate information obtained during an NDE.


Tina J's NDE 2248
Eve H's NDE 866OBE
Annie M's NDE OBE875
Kris K's NDE
Charlene K's 983
Donald M OBEs 3116NDE
David SOBE 1442

Plus there were experiments [the proxy sittings and the newspaper tests, The pye records-electronic voice phenomena, instrumental transcommunication experiments, Professor Gary Schwartz Mediumship Experiments, Remote Viewing Experiments, DeathBed Visions, Xenoglossy, The Scole Experiments, The Cross-Correspondences, Direct Voice Mediumship, Physical Mediumship-dd homes, Eusapia palladino, Florence Cook and Helen duncan at times when she did produce genuine phenomena, poltergeist, Apparitions and crisis Apparition, Drop in communicators, afterdeath communications and induced afterdeath communications, past-life regressions and induced hynotic past life regressions, The well documented evidence from automatic writing, ouija board.

[davidsmith73]

Originally Posted by LeoM

I wonder here think's will be the solution to the mind body problem? I think that the evidence for a soul is very strong I think until we get more scientists to look at the data for survival we will continue to be the same worldview we are in the materialist reductionistic worldview.

I agree that materialistic interpretations of the mind/body problem are the most common, at least in the western world. However, I think its a philosophical problem and as such will only be resolved through philosophical debate. I think materialists will always disagree with your interpretation of NDE's unless they change their fundamental philosophical assumptions.

Personally I think a radical solution may be to drop the notion of an experience-independent reality. If you're interested, here's what Donald Hoffman has to say about it. Quite remarkable from a mainstream scientist. Enjoy.

THE WORLD QUESTION CENTER 2005

[davidsmith73]

Sorry, didn't realise he had a 2007 entry too -

THE WORLD QUESTION CENTER 2007 — Page 2

[davidsmith73]

Ha! And 2006 (must work out how to edit posts...)

THE WORLD QUESTION CENTER 2006 — Page 3

[anonymous]

"What you call matter is but the form attribute of
consciousness,"

"Our Unseen Guest" by Darby and Joan
http://www.spiritwritings.com/ourunseenguest.pdf

There are many more free spiritual e-books at:
http://www.spiritwritings.com/library.html

[mcromer]

"What you call matter is but the form attribute of
consciousness,"

That is my tentative hypothesis, also. . .

[Occam's chainsaw]

or the attribute that gives rise to it......

[davidsmith73]

Originally Posted by Occam's chainsaw

or the attribute that gives rise to it......

That would be the most common view held by scientists in my experience. But that doesn't mean it's correct. Bear in mind the debate is complicated by different philosophical starting points. I think that is what Hoffman is saying in part. If you assume that matter is experience-independent then it appears obvious that matter gives rise to consciousness. But then there is the philosophical problem of justifying this separation in the first place and the "explanatory gap" that is left. I think its time that the great thinkers out there give the flip side view a chance. There may be some fantastic new predictions in store. We'll never know if nobody tries.