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05-07-2009, 05:50 PM
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The cost of a dinner is one thing; the prize of a million dollars is totally different. And the actions of Randi and his colleague are very suspicious.
If he's so honest about his challenge, why not just answer it? If he refuses to answer it, doesn't that seem suspicious? | |
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05-07-2009, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Psibeliever If he's so honest about his challenge, why not just answer it? If he refuses to answer it, doesn't that seem suspicious? | Perhaps someone wishes to remain anonymous. I am one of the original people who pledged part of the million, from before it was backed with a bond, and even I don't know who backs it now. You do understand that people taking up the challenge sign a contract that requires the JREF to pay the million, right?
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05-07-2009, 07:32 PM
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No, JREF may NOT have pledged to pay a million. As stated, the initial offer was the bonds, but, if the bonds are worthless, then the prize is worthless. That's the point. Furthermore, JREF has said the money is secured in those bonds, but, if those bonds are worthless, then what? JREF is silent on that.
Furthermore, Rule 8 states Quote: |
8. When entering into this challenge, as far as this may be done by established legal statutes, the applicant surrenders any and all rights to legal action against Mr. Randi, and/or against any persons peripherally involved, and/or against the James Randi Educational Foundation. This applies to injury, and/or accident, and/or any other damage of a physical and/or emotional nature, and/or financial and/or professional loss, and/or damage of any kind. However, this rule in no way affects the awarding of the prize, once it is properly won in accord with the protocol.
| Depending on how you read this, the winner may NOT have the right to sue for the money.
I've said this before.  |
05-08-2009, 02:21 AM
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However, this rule in no way affects the awarding of the prize, once it is properly won in accord with the protocol.
| This seems fairly unambiguous to me. The "no sue" rule doesn't apply to the giving of the prize itself. |
05-08-2009, 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Psibeliever  No, JREF may NOT have pledged to pay a million. As stated, the initial offer was the bonds, but, if the bonds are worthless, then the prize is worthless. That's the point. Furthermore, JREF has said the money is secured in those bonds, but, if those bonds are worthless, then what? JREF is silent on that. | Also pigs may fly... Quote: |
Depending on how you read this, the winner may NOT have the right to sue for the money.
| Clear question: What is your professional opinion of what would happen in court?
I agree that the whole court building may be abducted wholesale by aliens while all litigating parties are inside. I just don't think it very likely.
Also: Provide proof of your being a lawyer. Also provide documents about your income from your acitivities as a lawyer.
Since you hold that a failure to meet random and unreasonable demands by nobodies constitutes suspicious behavior I am sure that you will comply at once. |
05-08-2009, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Psibeliever No, JREF may NOT have pledged to pay a million. As stated, the initial offer was the bonds, but, if the bonds are worthless, then the prize is worthless. That's the point. Furthermore, JREF has said the money is secured in those bonds, but, if those bonds are worthless, then what? JREF is silent on that. | It doesn't matter if the bonds are worthless. The JREF would owe the winner a million. Quote: |
Depending on how you read this, the winner may NOT have the right to sue for the money.
| Seems clear to me that the winner has the legal right to the million. I think the court would agree.
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05-08-2009, 09:22 AM
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It doesn't matter if the bonds are worthless. The JREF would owe the winner a million.
| That's not so clear. It says that the JREF would cash in the bonds, but the problem is that, if the bonds were worthless, then the winner would get nothing. There's nothing to speak of indemnificaiton if the bonds fall short of a million.
I would agree that Rule 8 would probably give the winner the right to sue for the million, but I would want that worded differently. As an aside, I would not accept Rule 8. |
05-08-2009, 06:26 PM
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I've informed the JREF that you will not be applying for the million. 
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05-08-2009, 06:32 PM
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While you're at it, could you ask them who issued the bonds? It is a simple question. |
05-09-2009, 07:18 PM
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Paul above you apparently quote me saying .... ' Originally Posted by Open Mind
If he's so honest about his challenge, why not just answer it? If he refuses to answer it, doesn't that seem suspicious?
Did I write that? Certainly not in this topic 
Not that it matters.... whoever said it I possibly agree with it, not sure what it refers to ...I've not read this whole topic
Edited to add .... Psi Believer said it.
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