Ask James Randi to take Victor Zammit's million-dollar challenge.

[Scott]

Originally Posted by Craig Weiler

You are out of line for Haven, just an FYI. You're not allowed to insult psychics here.

I was trying to make it clear I was not insulting psychics as a whole. I was insulting psychics that make a dog and pony show out of their ability and then claim they can't be tested. That I feel is inconsistent -I fail to see any difference in the dog and pony show and testing other than control for effects other than what they claim to do for fame or fortune.
I would think getting the false performers out of the picture would be a good thing for both skeptics and proponents.

[Craig Weiler]

Originally Posted by Scott

I was trying to make it clear I was not insulting psychics as a whole. I was insulting psychics that make a dog and pony show out of their ability and then claim they can't be tested. That I feel is inconsistent -I fail to see any difference in the dog and pony show and testing other than control for effects other than what they claim to do for fame or fortune.
I would think getting the false performers out of the picture would be a good thing for both skeptics and proponents.

You are being insulting to psychics, this doesn't belong in Haven. Go be a bigot someplace else.

[Scott]

Originally Posted by Jayhawker30

I think what he's saying is genuine, Craig. I don't believe he's looking to offend anyone.

Thanks Jayhawker, I was not trying to offend anyone. Is the MDC for publicity - Yes, openly. Does that make if flawed, no. It is a counter to the many public and far fetched claims that SOME people make (not all). It is also rubbed in the face of psi proponents in general - I am 80/20 on this. I think it or something needs to be out there challenging the frauds that nobody challenges until someone finally tries to do something legally - though the tend to skirt legal loopholes and weasel words. I think it is worth having people really ask how do they know what they think they do. I do not think that asking people to do what they are not claiming to be able to do is fair. That does not mean I think psi is supernatural. I think the more mundane can explain the phenomenon. I just don't think it is fair to fault something for claims not being made.

I am sorry if my posts here stepped over the line - that was not my intent.

[paqart]

Originally Posted by Arouet

Silly to have an MDC thread in the haven, imo.

Agreed.

AP