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Old 01-03-2008, 08:05 PM
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I share the David Bailey's impression: most scientists seem to remain willfully ignorant of "mind expanding" experiences. Take drugs for instance. Psychedelic drugs in high doses allows people to remember very vividly their entire life up to the point of consuming the drug. I've read several magic mushroom accounts describing this or something similar. Wouldn't those experiences alter the current understanding of memory?
Probably, and suprise!, a PubMed search of <memory lsd> turns up 31 papers.

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Old 01-04-2008, 05:33 PM
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Probably, and suprise!, a PubMed search of <memory lsd> turns up 31 papers.

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My impression was dead wrong then. I thought psychedelics was a taboo subject in mainstream psychology... I don't remember my college psychology textbook mentioning them.
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Old 01-04-2008, 06:05 PM
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Yes, but how many take the actual experiences seriously. For example:

Erowid DMT Vault : Article #1

Why do we have receptors in the brain for that chemical? Why would they have evolved?

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Old 01-05-2008, 08:15 AM
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Why do we have receptors in the brain for that chemical? Why would they have evolved?
It's similar to serotonin, so maybe it just works by accident. It is produced in the brain, and there is some evidence it might be used as a neurotransmitter.

Sometimes we can "artificially" produce weird mental effects that sound a bit like paranormal effects. I wouldn't take this to imply that we've found some mechanism or gateway to any actual trans-physical realm. For example, I doubt Botvinick's experiments are actually inducing any concrete self to leave the body.

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Old 01-07-2008, 06:07 PM
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It's similar to serotonin, so maybe it just works by accident. It is produced in the brain, and there is some evidence it might be used as a neurotransmitter.

Sometimes we can "artificially" produce weird mental effects that sound a bit like paranormal effects. I wouldn't take this to imply that we've found some mechanism or gateway to any actual trans-physical realm. For example, I doubt Botvinick's experiments are actually inducing any concrete self to leave the body.
I think David's point is an interesting one but DMT is some weird shit. Like salvia divinorum the substance seems way too bizarre to make sense of and it could easily be some kind of "fluke". I don't believe "god" made DMT receptors for the specific purpose of having the universe shot through your brain.

Psilocin (active chemical in psilocybe mushrooms) is more interesting to me because the experience it induces is more coherent. Psilocin does mimic serotonin and works by activating serotonin receptors and its likely DMT does something very similar. Anyway, the experience of non-duality that can be induced by psilocin seems just as legitimate as any "normal" experience, that is, given the open-ended question of how consciousness fits into the scheme of things. I would also like to point out that such experiences are not the result of "faulty" brain activity like deliriants, though it all could be just a weird fluke. In many cases (such as NDEs) the experience can lead to better psychological health.

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Old 01-07-2008, 09:23 PM
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The "God" I'm talking about is the one described in mystical experiences, usually described as all pervasive love and awareness, also as a white light, you know all that woo woo stuff that Skeptics hate.
And which I love! Yes that's the "God" I subscribe to.
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Old 01-07-2008, 09:24 PM
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Arghhhhh - not that G word again - cant we go back to the Metamind!

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Would Infinite Spirit do?
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Old 01-08-2008, 08:04 AM
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Would Infinite Spirit do?
Sounds a bit Native American.

Vast Nothingness?

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Old 01-08-2008, 03:26 PM
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And which I love! Yes that's the "God" I subscribe to.
Me too but don't tell anyone. I'm into Buddhist philosophy (as a laymen) and I also enjoy the writings of Ram Dass (Richard Alpert), hence my interest in certain chemicals.

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