JREF Challenge to come to an end

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

Originally Posted by LeoM

But nobody is going to win because just look how Csicop investigated Natasha Demkina.

It's always a he-said she-said deal. No psychic is going to say "Yup, well, I failed."

I very much doubt that Demkina is looking inside anyone's body.

~~ Paul

[Venom]

Originally Posted by LeoM

But nobody is going to win because just look how Csicop investigated Natasha Demkina HOW NOT TO DO AN EXPERIMENT

If Natasha Demkina was an X-Men (like Jean Grey), she'd do 100% hit rate, in any circumstance whatsoever.

You know, the problem with "non-existent capability" is that it's very unreliable.

Of course Natasha Demkina gave rationnalisation for her failure. That what's psychics are expected to do when they fail test...

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

How many trials were run for Demkina? I think it was seven or some such. I have to admit that doesn't sound like enough.

~~ Paul

[Venom]

Originally Posted by Paul C. Anagnostopoulos

How many trials were run for Demkina? I think it was seven or some such. I have to admit that doesn't sound like enough.

~~ Paul

According to this:

Natasha Demkina - The Girl with Normal Eyes

6 subjects...

Well, yeah, that wasn't a lot. But if I remember correctly, she claimed to be able to do almost 100%. So she should have been able to recognize the conditions from the 6 subjects without trouble.

[LeoM]

There was also also pressuring going on Richard Wiseman a psychologist and other scientists that are a part of csicop should of known better that obviously will have an effect on the results.

[Lekatt]

Originally Posted by Venom

If paranormal phenomena were real, it would be really really easy to win. In the "X-Men" world for exemple, every mutants would have it right away (especially Charles Xavier or Jean Grey, with there thelepatic and psychokinetic skills).

But of course it's difficult to prove to have paranormal powers in our reality, because that kind of things doesn't exist...

If Randi's challenge is fair and just there is a sure way to collect the million.
Years ago Cleve Baxter showed that plants can read the thoughts of humans. He hooked up a lie detector to a plant and then intertained thoughts of killing the plant, the plant reacted on the lie detector. The plant would also react to thoughts of love for it. This has been duplicated by the MythBusters on TV. It clearly shows psychic ability is real and should easily win the million. Anyone want to try?

[Interesting Ian]

Originally Posted by Lekatt

If Randi's challenge is fair and just there is a sure way to collect the million.
Years ago Cleve Baxter showed that plants can read the thoughts of humans. He hooked up a lie detector to a plant and then intertained thoughts of killing the plant, the plant reacted on the lie detector. The plant would also react to thoughts of love for it. This has been duplicated by the MythBusters on TV. It clearly shows psychic ability is real and should easily win the million. Anyone want to try?

The plant might have gone by the expression on Cleve Baxter's face.

[Lekatt]

Originally Posted by Interesting Ian

The plant might have gone by the expression on Cleve Baxter's face.

Now that's really good, but I don't think so.

[Phronk]

Originally Posted by Venom

If Natasha Demkina was an X-Men (like Jean Grey), she'd do 100% hit rate, in any circumstance whatsoever.

You know, the problem with "non-existent capability" is that it's very unreliable.

Of course Natasha Demkina gave rationnalisation for her failure. That what's psychics are expected to do when they fail test...

If athletes were superheros (like Superman), they'd be able to leap vast heights 100% of the time, in any circumstances whatsoever.

The problem with non-existent capabilities is that they're very unreliable.

Of course, athletes rationalize their failures. That's what athletes are expected to do when they fail.

But I think we all know that when you see high jumping on TV, that's just computer graphics and special effects. Nobody can actually jump really high. And when people run really fast, that's just speeding up the tape. Obviously extraordinary feats of athleticism are faked...if they were real, they'd be reliable. Athletes claim they are unreliable. Therefore athletes do not exist.

[Holoverse]

Totally agree with the post above...

Kinda like this...
I play guitar, and Im pretty good at it. Sometimes I sit at home, and get in the zone and I play like the wind. Some would even say that Im a prodigy.
Yet.....
If someone were to come to my house and swoop me away, and put me on stage/TV. Id stink!!! People would literally boo me off stage. Not cuz Im not good, but because being on stage/TV is nothing short of nerve racking and would be a highly stressful situation.
I just wouldnt be able to play the same at all.

Its exactly the same with these abilities.
Its a gift, and theres different levels of talent, as with any other talent/gift.

Now consider that they asked Natasha to do things that 'were out of her abilities; Shes in a cold environment, without her 'patients' giving an open feeling to her, and diagnosing completely differently according to CSICOPS rules.

Thats like taking me onto that stage and instead of asking me to play my familiar instrument, they bring out a frieking sitar. NOW WHAT!???

These pseudo-skeptiks just do not know how to conduct a Psi experiment, because unfortunately they do not understand how it works, or more likely that they cant accept that it exists.

Maybe they should go live with Natasha for like 3 months video taping all her USUAL DIAGNOSING, in her comfortable home. because these abiliteis function on love, peace and comfort. You do NOT find any of that in a probing scientific setting full of debunkers....OR a television show. She NEEDS to be at home with her mom, in HER comfort zone. Understand this skeptiks!! And you will be in for a ride, a ride that will destroy your current view of materilism FOREVER!!

Peace...