LENR Confirmed by Mainstream Scientists

[sparky]

Originally Posted by David Bailey

With a flat global temperature curve (last 15 years!) and suggestions that the sun may have entered a cold phase, I very much doubt if we will care a damn about CO2 levels!

My worry might be if it were possible to release too much energy in a burst (i.e. make some sort of bomb).

David

Rossi : General , we have developed an H bomb based on LENR .
General : Why do we have to drop a 5 Kw generator alongside the bomb ?
Rossi : Eehhh....

[Julie Marshall]

I may be the last cab on the rank here but I though Brian Josephson made a pretty good case for this in his 2004 lecture. See page 13. Can someone tell me why this is new?

http://www.umcs.maine.edu/~chaitin/2...dauLecture.pdf

Julie

[Scott]

Originally Posted by Julie Marshall

I may be the last cab on the rank here but I though Brian Josephson made a pretty good case for this in his 2004 lecture. See page 13. Can someone tell me why this is new?

http://www.umcs.maine.edu/~chaitin/2...dauLecture.pdf

Julie

So, there is a slide about how 43 surveys were sent out and 23 came back - That percentage alone is enough to put it into questionable status. What was the process for selecting the 43 sent out? Was there any verification that they were filled out sincerely? (some of the info should have been known, or verified - with half not being reported at all, I could see some being found and filled out as a joke)

Because there is still nothing that represents good solid evidence that anything like a table top cold fusion reaction is/has taken place.

But, if you want to invest lots of money (you will make loads more, and solve the energy issues of the planet) I will be sure to get you some better evidence - Soon.

When and if a fully independent group of experts (in related areas) are allowed a full and unrestricted investigation of a working devise --- then you have something, until then... if it looks like a scam, sounds like a scam, ...

[David Bailey]

Originally Posted by Scott

When and if a fully independent group of experts (in related areas) are allowed a full and unrestricted investigation of a working devise --- then you have something, until then... if it looks like a scam, sounds like a scam, ...

It may be a scam, but I think it is also possible that huge vested interests don't want this to come out.

Part of that may be the legitimate concern that it could be used to make a bomb of some sort.

Part of it may be pressure from the various energy giants.

Unless you are one of the dwindling number of people who think our governments are even approximately honest, you have to admit that possibility.

You need to remember that the subject of cold fusion was started by two respected chemists, who must have thought long and hard before announcing their result. It was then 'investigated' and dismissed over a period of a few weeks. Ask yourself how many scientific projects can be adequately undertaken from scratch in such a time scale.

David

[puffin]

some info:


Rossi's philosophy is to produce the units and let the consumers decide, they are the ones who matter .

the first generation of devices are due to be ready between a year to 18 months from now.

awaiting the certifying body to give the safety all clear.

they will be a small unit 20"x20"x4" weighing around 15lbs

cost between $600 -1000



the devices will act as a supplement to the existing house heating unit, and will fit in series with the hot water supply , which will force the boiler/heating unit to work much less. (the ecat will be heating the water.)


further generation or attachment, will be able to turn the heat into electricity


from the interview at around 1hr 12 mins

here:

andrearossi interviewed on west coast truth

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[mszlazak]

Originally Posted by David Bailey

It may be a scam, but I think it is also possible that huge vested interests don't want this to come out.

Part of that may be the legitimate concern that it could be used to make a bomb of some sort.

Part of it may be pressure from the various energy giants.


David

Interestingly, Rossi does not think there are huge forces working to prevent this technology from coming out. This is from the West Coast Truth interview he recently did:

If there are conspiracies, they have to be proven by evidence; I have no evidence of this. There is no conspiracy at all, less than ever against me. I am working very well and I am making very well my work. Of course you have to accept, and this is a physics law, when a consolidated system is changed . . . some resistance is the obvious consequence of a technological revolution. This is not a conspiracy, this is normal. The fact that low energy nuclear reactions up to now, since 1989, has not been put on the market did not depend on a conspiracy — it depends on the fact that no valid products have been put on the market. If you put a working product in the market, there is no conspiracy that can bind you, people buys it.

[Scott]

It has no bearing if one, two, or all governments have honesty issues. Before making such a claim and expecting to be taken serious - let an independent group have full examination of a unit. Saying that after selling them to consumers - let them judge it --- "SCAM" It is a give me your money (from investors now - let the investors deal with the pissed off customers) and you will get the evidence soon.
How does government corruption keep him from letting full disclosure - yet let him do this 'scam' like operation. If it was to protect the method - secret ... then full disclosure would be the safe way. As it is now, he could get beat to market and not have a solid claim.
The same arguments against governments work against corporations. That and if this technology existed I can bet they would have kicked his but on getting this to market and would find a way to keep making money with it.

Sometimes finding the fatal flaw does not take much time at all. It does require asking the right question/s. Sometimes it is as simple as first asking why did they not supply the answer to a specific question or two. I would like to hope that the researchers in the late 80's where just fooling themselves, and got caught up in the excitement, as opposed to thinking they would pull off such a scam. I could see how the hype and idea of things could have led to not being as thorough as they should have been - pace of the media was new then also. I don't get that from what this eCat process looks-feels-smells like. Maybe Rossi is being used by someone behind the curtain pulling strings and Rossi is deluded? It sure looks as if a lot of effort is being used to not come forward and clear the questions up.

Originally Posted by David Bailey

It may be a scam, but I think it is also possible that huge vested interests don't want this to come out.

Part of that may be the legitimate concern that it could be used to make a bomb of some sort.

Part of it may be pressure from the various energy giants.

Unless you are one of the dwindling number of people who think our governments are even approximately honest, you have to admit that possibility.

You need to remember that the subject of cold fusion was started by two respected chemists, who must have thought long and hard before announcing their result. It was then 'investigated' and dismissed over a period of a few weeks. Ask yourself how many scientific projects can be adequately undertaken from scratch in such a time scale.

David

[Julie Marshall]

Originally Posted by Scott

So, there is a slide about how 43 surveys were sent out and 23 came back - That percentage alone is enough to put it into questionable status. What was the process for selecting the 43 sent out? Was there any verification that they were filled out sincerely? (some of the info should have been known, or verified - with half not being reported at all, I could see some being found and filled out as a joke)

Because there is still nothing that represents good solid evidence that anything like a table top cold fusion reaction is/has taken place.

But, if you want to invest lots of money (you will make loads more, and solve the energy issues of the planet) I will be sure to get you some better evidence - Soon.

When and if a fully independent group of experts (in related areas) are allowed a full and unrestricted investigation of a working devise --- then you have something, until then... if it looks like a scam, sounds like a scam, ...

I never said it had been proven. My point was that a case had been made for it - meaning it needed exploration. So between 2004 and 2012 has any research been done in the intervening 8 years? If not, is this because it was considered a dead duck?

Julie