Is Susan Blackmore wrong?

[Iyace]

Also, the dying brain hypothesis was smashed when it came into realization that you can even have an nde when your brain is NOT dying, such as in shared death experiences.

[happyknownothing]

I think Blackmore makes too big deal of her experiences while getting stoned. I don’t find her argument compelling at all. Just because she had strange experiences when she was off her face doesn’t mean that she can speak authoritatively on NDEs from personal experience - does it? I wasted many years of my life on getting high and shit-faced and it didn’t make me an expert on anything.

[The Swede]

Yea.. It sounds like she had an OBE rather than a NDE because of the drugs and she is saying ... "I know how they feel, I know how they experience it" but she didn't say she saw an bright light at the end of a tunnel she just said she flew around in her school.

[happyknownothing]

She uses her experiences while stoned to add authority to her arguments. Blackmore wants to be seen as someone who is debunking NDEs from the inside. It makes her opinion far more valuable to pseudoskeptics. If she can explain away her own experiences she can discount everyone else's experiences – or so she thinks.

[Pollux]

Originally Posted by happyknownothing

I think Blackmore makes too big deal of her experiences while getting stoned. I don’t find her argument compelling at all. Just because she had strange experiences when she was off her face doesn’t mean that she can speak authoritatively on NDEs from personal experience - does it? I wasted many years of my life on getting high and shit-faced and it didn’t make me an expert on anything.

Originally Posted by happyknownothing

She uses her experiences while stoned to add authority to her arguments. Blackmore wants to be seen as someone who is debunking NDEs from the inside. It makes her opinion far more valuable to pseudoskeptics. If she can explain away her own experiences she can discount everyone else's experiences – or so she thinks.

This is all too true and cant be pointed out enough times.
That lady has been wheeled forward as a figurehead of the NDE-skeptics-steamroller with her drugged out OBE.
It is camouflaged as a real NDE (with all that it pertains) so she can be the "scholared one" who can tell the world: "I've been there, I've seen it all, I've experienced it, and it is all bunk. Thank you, goodnight"

[happyknownothing]

Originally Posted by Pollux

This is all too true and cant be pointed out enough times.
That lady has been wheeled forward as a figurehead of the NDE-skeptics-steamroller with her drugged out OBE.
It is camouflaged as a real NDE (with all that it pertains) so she can be the "scholared one" who can tell the world: "I've been there, I've seen it all, I've experienced it, and it is all bunk. Thank you, goodnight"

I'm glad she didn't have a lucid dream after a night on the wacky backy because that really would be the death knell for NDEs

[billw]

The answer to the question is that even Susan Blackmore will never know. As she said herself, she isn't looking at any new evidence. I wish her the best with her Zen practice and gardening.

Cheers,
Bill