Star Consciousness

[Limbo]

My mystical experiences have long ago led me to the conclusion that the stars are conscious. Seems like science is finally beginning to catch up. Maybe.

Star Consciousness: An Alternative to Dark Matter

[...]

The Psychokinetic Option

"One physically possible explanation for anomalous stellar motion is psychokinesis. The hypothesis is here presented that the “mind” of a conscious or sentient star can act directly upon the physical properties (in this case the galactic velocity) of that star.

Although no claim is made that psychokinesis (PK) is part of mainstream physics or psychology, at least one serious theoretical study indicates that it is possible within the currently accepted framework of quantum mechanics [7]."

[Scott]

Originally Posted by Limbo

My mystical experiences have long ago led me to the conclusion that the stars are conscious. Seems like science is finally beginning to catch up. Maybe.

Star Consciousness: An Alternative to Dark Matter

[...]

The Psychokinetic Option

"One physically possible explanation for anomalous stellar motion is psychokinesis. The hypothesis is here presented that the “mind” of a conscious or sentient star can act directly upon the physical properties (in this case the galactic velocity) of that star.

Although no claim is made that psychokinesis (PK) is part of mainstream physics or psychology, at least one serious theoretical study indicates that it is possible within the currently accepted framework of quantum mechanics [7]."

It could also just be all the displaced gods of the past out there messing with stuff to keep from being board. Could be - no evidence that suggests it is. But, you can't prove it's not.
I wonder what category of Moody's nonsense these would fit into? And other than to place them into similar groups who would care?

[Craig Weiler]

Originally Posted by Scott

It could also just be all the displaced gods of the past out there messing with stuff to keep from being board. Could be - no evidence that suggests it is. But, you can't prove it's not.
I wonder what category of Moody's nonsense these would fit into? And other than to place them into similar groups who would care?

Straw man much?

[4vektor]

so in that scenario i guess the star doesn't need the ultra-developed filter (brain) for its consciousness to influence matter, and psychokinetically no less. just a primitive ball of hot gases will do. doesn't add up in my opinion.

[porker]

Quantum mechanics does not justify any daft idea one might care to throw out.

[Craig Weiler]

Originally Posted by Limbo

My mystical experiences have long ago led me to the conclusion that the stars are conscious. Seems like science is finally beginning to catch up. Maybe.

Star Consciousness: An Alternative to Dark Matter

[...]

The Psychokinetic Option

"One physically possible explanation for anomalous stellar motion is psychokinesis. The hypothesis is here presented that the “mind” of a conscious or sentient star can act directly upon the physical properties (in this case the galactic velocity) of that star.

Although no claim is made that psychokinesis (PK) is part of mainstream physics or psychology, at least one serious theoretical study indicates that it is possible within the currently accepted framework of quantum mechanics [7]."

I've been thinking the same thing. There are a ton of anomalies in space from black holes leaving the center of galaxies to galaxies and stars wandering off in different directions. None of it makes any sense mathematically. They're moving too slow or they're moving too fast or going in the wrong direction entirely.

The skeptics so far are operating from a belief in limited consciousness that can only appear under very specific proscribed conditions. But this isn't necessarily so. We don't know that much about consciousness and it's not safe to assume that stars can't be conscious.

[David Bailey]

Originally Posted by Scott

It could also just be all the displaced gods of the past out there messing with stuff to keep from being board. Could be - no evidence that suggests it is. But, you can't prove it's not.
I wonder what category of Moody's nonsense these would fit into? And other than to place them into similar groups who would care?

The curious thing is that conventional 'theories' of consciousness, place few limits on what can be conscious. I remember an SF story in which the baddie aliens were conscious by virtue of extremely complex boiling motions inside a tank of liquid! Looked at like that, you would almost expect the sun to be conscious

Because of the intense magnetic fields and hot plasma, we are not dealing with "a primitive ball of hot gases"!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mat4d...feature=fvwrel

David

[porker]

Limbo, I would also note that citation 7 to the "Iceland Papers" is unlikely to be considered by many as serious (read mainstream) science.

That said, there have been more than one SF story involving sentient stars, Which is a rather lovely idea: however I suspect that it's really rather unlikely, and even less likely that they are using PK to influence observed universal expansion...

But wow, if they are, and, are, how cool would that be?

[4vektor]

Originally Posted by porker

Quantum mechanics does not justify any daft idea one might care to throw out.

you don't need to justify it. you just need to say: [insert daft idea] is not ruled out by QM.

[Scott]

Originally Posted by David Bailey

The curious thing is that conventional 'theories' of consciousness, place few limits on what can be conscious. I remember an SF story in which the baddie aliens were conscious by virtue of extremely complex boiling motions inside a tank of liquid! Looked at like that, you would almost expect the sun to be conscious

Because of the intense magnetic fields and hot plasma, we are not dealing with "a primitive ball of hot gases"!

Stunning video: NASA captures giant comet hitting sun - YouTube

David

Well, if you want to base your Science on SF then ... anything goes and you can ignore whatever you want to fit the story you want to tell.