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Old 06-20-2012, 04:13 AM
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Weird World of Quantum Physics May Govern Life | LiveScience

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I'd be surprised if QM didn't play important roles in biology.

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Erm...thanks!
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This isn't really surprising, given that biological creatures consist of quantum particles. o.O
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This isn't really surprising, given that biological creatures consist of quantum particles. o.O
Er...Thank you too!

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I'm very interested in this subject. The implications are far reaching on many levels. quantum computing, AI, medicine even consciousness and a deeper understanding of reality.

The reason why it's a bit of a surprise is because biological systems were thought to be too hot, wet and noisy to form any sort of coherence.

Here's a nice bit from James Oschman on quantum biology with a hat tip to Rupert Sheldrake.

PhD James Oschman Quantum biology 011 - YouTube

This is directly related to what Dr Oschman was talking about as well as morphogenic fields. Bio electric precursor initates morphogenesis.

The Face of a Frog - YouTube

A theory has been proposed that quantum entanglement may actually hold DNA together.

Quantum Entanglement Holds DNA Together, Say Physicists - Technology Review

Something else that I think is relevant is the Ebner effect, I was skeptical of this but all of the above now gives it some validity for me. There's very little information on it, It no doubt will be difficult for some to believe.

EBNER EFFECT - YouTube

This really is a new fronteer, a paradigm shift is on the way.
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This isn't really surprising, given that biological creatures consist of quantum particles. o.O
QM obviously underpins everything - particularly the shapes and properties of molecules. I think the idea is, however, that some longer range QM effects are at work in such systems - loosely analogous to superconductivity, for example.

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Old 06-22-2012, 01:34 AM
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QM obviously underpins everything - particularly the shapes and properties of molecules. I think the idea is, however, that some longer range QM effects are at work in such systems - loosely analogous to superconductivity, for example.

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Water being bent due to the tetrahedral shape of the two hydrogens and two pairs of electrons in the second shell (s & p orbitals) having electromagnetic repulsion. Not saying that QM can play a role in the sub atomic levels and components. Even if the electron is fully created and dictated by QM - I see electromagnetic forces dictating the shape of the molecule. Pauling did some amazing work on protein shapes using just such things (before he went off the deep end with Vit C). I see the prediction of shape and properties being made without QM coming into the model.
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Water being bent due to the tetrahedral shape of the two hydrogens and two pairs of electrons in the second shell (s & p orbitals) having electromagnetic repulsion. Not saying that QM can play a role in the sub atomic levels and components. Even if the electron is fully created and dictated by QM - I see electromagnetic forces dictating the shape of the molecule. Pauling did some amazing work on protein shapes using just such things (before he went off the deep end with Vit C). I see the prediction of shape and properties being made without QM coming into the model.
I'm not sure what you are saying - there wouldn't be any s and p orbitals (they are solutions of the Shroedinger equation is a spherically symmetrical environment) without QM! In fact without QM every water molecule would have a different mount of energy and therefore different properties!

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I'm not sure what you are saying - there wouldn't be any s and p orbitals (they are solutions of the Shroedinger equation is a spherically symmetrical environment) without QM! In fact without QM every water molecule would have a different mount of energy and therefore different properties!

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I was saying that just because QM is critical in the formation and properties of the components. It is different to say QM is what is responsible at the higher level. Yes, perhaps you could break down all EM interaction to the QM level and then use the MUCH more complicated version to describe the electrical interactions.
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