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Old 07-22-2012, 01:07 PM
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Default Big Think - Is Your Soul an Information Field in Another Dimension?

May be worth making comments on his blog to correct his errors:

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Old 07-22-2012, 04:11 PM
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The whole article is kind of dumb, to be honest. First:

Parapsychology need not ' overturn ' neuroscience, much like qm doesn't overturn classical mechanics.

Begs the question of usefulness. We just spent the most money ever on a project to find the higgs boson. Did finding the higgs spark any new inventions or make our lives any more amazing? No, it just confirmed the existence of a field already in the standard model.

I'm growing tired of these false dichotomy tricks that seem popular amongst media skeptics. ' either you agree with us, or you hate science that us being used to cure your grandpa of cancer '. Seems like many people are so willing to put their faith in a 30 year old field at its infancy. If there's any time to makes changes to the prevailing assumptions, its now, when we don't know much.
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Old 07-22-2012, 05:05 PM
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I emailed the author a few weeks ago regarding his essay "a ghost in the machine". But he never responded.
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Old 07-23-2012, 12:22 AM
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Parapsychology need not ' overturn ' neuroscience, much like qm doesn't overturn classical mechanics.
QM did overturn classical mechanics.

In any case, there is no analogy between QM/Classical-Mechanics and Parapsychology/Neuroscience. Reason being that there is no theory of neuroscience or more specifically the brain or the brain and mind.

Neuroscience is in a pre-theoretic stage as any neuro-scientist will tell you. Parapsychology is also in a pre-theoretic stage. So we don't even know if one overturns the other since don't have theories in either case.

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Old 07-23-2012, 12:40 AM
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QM did overturn classical mechanics.

In any case, there is no analogy between QM/Classical-Mechanics and Parapsychology/Neuroscience. Reason being that there is no theory of neuroscience or more specifically the brain or the brain and mind.

Neuroscience is in a pre-theoretic stage as any neuro-scientist will tell you. Parapsychology is also in a pre-theoretic stage. So we don't even know if one overturns the other since don't have theories in either case.
We do have theories in both neuroscience and parapsych. The issue is that there are a plethora of theories, and no one theory can be said to account for all the empirical data.
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Old 07-23-2012, 12:43 AM
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QM did overturn classical mechanics.

In any case, there is no analogy between QM/Classical-Mechanics and Parapsychology/Neuroscience. Reason being that there is no theory of neuroscience or more specifically the brain or the brain and mind.

Neuroscience is in a pre-theoretic stage as any neuro-scientist will tell you. Parapsychology is also in a pre-theoretic stage. So we don't even know if one overturns the other since don't have theories in either case.
Also, we should be precise about the sense in which QM "overturned" classical mechanics. It just showed that the equations of classical mechanics can be regarded as macroscopic approximations to the equations of quantum mechanics in most cases (though it should be appreciated that, even now, this is still not a fully worked out correspondence).
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Old 07-23-2012, 12:45 AM
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QM did overturn classical mechanics.

In any case, there is no analogy between QM/Classical-Mechanics and Parapsychology/Neuroscience. Reason being that there is no theory of neuroscience or more specifically the brain or the brain and mind.

Neuroscience is in a pre-theoretic stage as any neuro-scientist will tell you. Parapsychology is also in a pre-theoretic stage. So we don't even know if one overturns the other since don't have theories in either case.
I would just amend what you said with the following - Neuroscience is in a proto-theoretic stage as any neuro-scientist will tell you. Parapsychology is also in a proto-theoretic stage.
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Old 07-23-2012, 12:46 AM
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I emailed the author a few weeks ago regarding his essay "a ghost in the machine". But he never responded.
Lame. Have you tried posting on his blog or under his article?
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The whole article is kind of dumb, to be honest. First:

Parapsychology need not ' overturn ' neuroscience, much like qm doesn't overturn classical mechanics.

Begs the question of usefulness. We just spent the most money ever on a project to find the higgs boson. Did finding the higgs spark any new inventions or make our lives any more amazing? No, it just confirmed the existence of a field already in the standard model.

I'm growing tired of these false dichotomy tricks that seem popular amongst media skeptics. ' either you agree with us, or you hate science that us being used to cure your grandpa of cancer '. Seems like many people are so willing to put their faith in a 30 year old field at its infancy. If there's any time to makes changes to the prevailing assumptions, its now, when we don't know much.
I feel your frustration. I think it comes out of lazy thinking, which is excused because few people will go through the effort to fact-check false claims about parapsych research, thinking that the conclusion is obvious.
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Old 07-23-2012, 01:04 AM
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I would just amend what you said with the following - Neuroscience is in a proto-theoretic stage as any neuro-scientist will tell you. Parapsychology is also in a proto-theoretic stage.
That's really the same thing! Whether you've started a race or are running in it does not mean you have or even will finish it.

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