Second Video of DogsThatKnow Experiment Released

[Chris Noble]

Originally Posted by alextsakiris

We've only been to record 3 so far. I'm going to be installing a notebook at her home next week with some improvements to the set-up and controls. Hope to have more in a month.

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From 2008-04-15

With all the controversy that Wiseman stirred up, he did only four trials, and we?ve already done more than that.

[Ersby]

From what I understand, three trails have been taped. Others must've been done without being taped.

[Chris Noble]

Originally Posted by Ersby

From what I understand, three trails have been taped. Others must've been done without being taped.

That is a possibility although that doesn't really seem consistent with Alex's description of events.

Then again the "first" trial is time coded two days after the "second" trial so Alex's description of events are somewhat dubious.

It should be very obvious that a complete description of all trials to date is necessary before the significance of what Alex has decided to put on the internet can be judged.

[davidsmith73]

Originally Posted by wett0035

The correlation between dogs waiting for their owners to come home and them having telepathy is logically incongruous. In my mind it is similar to saying that there is a correlation between the number of psychics not sleeping on a given and that causing the northern lights to be brighter or dimmer. There is no way to prove that psychics don’t affect the northern lights because no one knows how psychic power “works” and is therefore un-testable.

What if you were crazy enough to attempt to measure such a correlation and found one to exist?

What would be your next step?

[Venom]

Originally Posted by Ersby

From what I understand, three trails have been taped. Others must've been done without being taped.

And according to you how they would do the experiment without taping anything?

I mean, the experimental protocol makes the taping necessary (in order to know when the dog is allegedly "waiting" for the owner, even if it looks more like sleeping to me) so it's impossible that Alex did some "trial" without any taping of it.

[David Bailey]

Originally Posted by Venom

And according to you how they would do the experiment without taping anything?

I mean, the experimental protocol makes the taping necessary (in order to know when the dog is allegedly "waiting" for the owner, even if it looks more like sleeping to me) so it's impossible that Alex did some "trial" without any taping of it.

How about closed circuit TV? Or maybe the recorder was not optimally placed, so they did not want to include them in the actual data. You and Chris write as if you think that Alex is seriously trying to do this experiment in a dishonest way - I simply can't understand why!

Why does anyone who tries to explore these matters instantly become suspect in your eyes?

Can't you give Alex your support - after all, he is spending his time doing these experiments, not us!

David

[Chris Noble]

Originally Posted by David Bailey

How about closed circuit TV? Or maybe the recorder was not optimally placed, so they did not want to include them in the actual data. You and Chris write as if you think that Alex is seriously trying to do this experiment in a dishonest way - I simply can't understand why!

Why does anyone who tries to explore these matters instantly become suspect in your eyes?

Can't you give Alex your support - after all, he is spending his time doing these experiments, not us!

David

When Alex blurted out in one of his podcasts that "Dogs-that-know are real and we're gonna prove it" he made his bias very clear.

I don't think that Alex is being deliberately dishonest but I do think that he is liable to fall into the typical patterns of self-delusion that true-believers are prone to.

We've got Alex who wants to prove that dogs are psychic and an owner who wants her dog to be psychic.

We've got a "first" trial that occurred two days after the "second" trial and some inconsistency about the total number of trials.

Why shouldn't I be skeptical?

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

There shall be no file drawer for this series of experiments.

Please.

~~ Paul

[David Bailey]

Originally Posted by Chris Noble

When Alex blurted out in one of his podcasts that "Dogs-that-know are real and we're gonna prove it" he made his bias very clear.

I don't think that Alex is being deliberately dishonest but I do think that he is liable to fall into the typical patterns of self-delusion that true-believers are prone to.

We've got Alex who wants to prove that dogs are psychic and an owner who wants her dog to be psychic.

We've got a "first" trial that occurred two days after the "second" trial and some inconsistency about the total number of trials.

Why shouldn't I be skeptical?

That is like dismissing an experimenter who said "Gravity waves a re real, and I am going to prove it!" - or dismissing a skeptic who said "Ψ is bunk and I am going to prove it!" - scientists are human beings as well, you know.

David

[alextsakiris]

There will me many more videos to come. We'll have a better camera position. Better video quality. Longer videos capturing more waiting and non-waiting.

Plus, we'll have the advise of a highly qualified expert in animal behavior to guide us.

And, that's just for this dog (Tommy). We're qualifying other dogs as well.