Interesting Video on Conciousness

[radicalpolitik]

I know this is a few years old, but it's quite good, the guy who uploaded it is an ass though, anyone with anything but a materialist view is verbally abused and ridiculed. I myself was banned from commenting on his videos. but anyway enjoy

BBC Horizon The Secret You - YouTube

[Open Mind]

The TV programme would have been better named 'The Athiestic Materialists' Doctrine on Consciousness '


The programme presenter pretends he is on a journey to find out what his consciousness is ....no doubt to avoid a preachy tone while still maintaining the underlying goal to influence the viewers that materialist worldview is a scientific one.

Hardly a single opposing view is expressed in the programme, not a single alternative non-materialist interpretation of each experiment is mentioned, there is no one there to point out that none of these experimental outcomes contradict interactive dualism, idealism, panpsychism etc..... it precedes through each of the well worn arguments commonly used by political materialists to finally conclude when the brain dies, you are dead for good.

Materialists will love it, it will soothe their minds that life has no purpose other than a race to obtain maximum pleasure and satisfaction before time runs out upon brain death, no repercussions to worry about. Anything remotely resembling a religious or spiritual concept must be wrong and science has confirmed it ..... man is a machine with no free will

Most of the general public will not know the other side of the debate, nor did the programme makers ever intend to represent it, they either don't know the otherside or didn't want it included.

[radicalpolitik]

Originally Posted by Open Mind

The TV programme would have been better named 'The Athiestic Materialists' Doctrine on Consciousness '


The programme presenter pretends he is on a journey to find out what his consciousness is ....no doubt to avoid a preachy tone while still maintaining the underlying goal to influence the viewers that materialist worldview is a scientific one.

Hardly a single opposing view is expressed in the programme, not a single alternative non-materialist interpretation of each experiment is mentioned, there is no one there to point out that none of these experimental outcomes contradict interactive dualism, idealism, panpsychism etc..... it precedes through each of the well worn arguments commonly used by political materialists to finally conclude when the brain dies, you are dead for good.

Materialists will love it, it will soothe their minds that life has no purpose other than a race to obtain maximum pleasure and satisfaction before time runs out upon brain death, no repercussions to worry about. Anything remotely resembling a religious or spiritual concept must be wrong and science has confirmed it ..... man is a machine with no free will

Most of the general public will not know the other side of the debate, nor did the programme makers ever intend to represent it, they either don't know the otherside or didn't want it included.

Yeah, the bit at the end when he said "all that will be left of me is a memory in my sons neural synapses" or something along those lines, was pretty unnerving. I also don't get why people are so happy to not have free will, and find that they are nothing and the self is an illusion-that to me seems dead depressing

[David Bailey]

Originally Posted by radicalpolitik

I also don't get why people are so happy to not have free will, and find that they are nothing and the self is an illusion-that to me seems dead depressing

Unlike in the US, here in the UK most of the (non immigrant) population are non-believers. I guess people get used to the idea, and feel it closes a lot of potentially worrying questions!

I'm not a religious believer, but I tend to believe the evidence that consciousness plays a bigger role in the nature of reality, and may well continue after death. This, of course, re-opens a lot of messy questions!

David

[radicalpolitik]

Originally Posted by David Bailey

Unlike in the US, here in the UK most of the (non immigrant) population are non-believers. I guess people get used to the idea, and feel it closes a lot of potentially worrying questions!

I'm not a religious believer, but I tend to believe the evidence that consciousness plays a bigger role in the nature of reality, and may well continue after death. This, of course, re-opens a lot of messy questions!

David

Don't get me wrong I'm not religious either, and if there's one thing I sympathise with the skeptics on, it is how religion is often used to exploit people. On your comment, I don't understand what is comforting about one life-death-game over, because in that world people can just be horrible to each other without consequence, exploit each other to gain as much wealth as possible etc. From what I have read about NDEs and Stevenson's and Tuckers work on Reincarnation-the fact that if I'm horrible to someone and I may have to face them in another life is far more reassuring as it means I can make amends

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

Originally Posted by radicalpolitik

Don't get me wrong I'm not religious either, and if there's one thing I sympathise with the skeptics on, it is how religion is often used to exploit people. On your comment, I don't understand what is comforting about one life-death-game over, because in that world people can just be horrible to each other without consequence, exploit each other to gain as much wealth as possible etc. From what I have read about NDEs and Stevenson's and Tuckers work on Reincarnation-the fact that if I'm horrible to someone and I may have to face them in another life is far more reassuring as it means I can make amends.

Is there really enough force behind the idea that you might run into them again in a future life? Heck, 99.9% don't remember anything about past lives, even if that is possible. And if you don't remember, who cares?

Seems to me the only reasonable pressure to be nice to people is that you will run into them again in this life.

~~ Paul

[Arouet]

Originally Posted by radicalpolitik

Don't get me wrong I'm not religious either, and if there's one thing I sympathise with the skeptics on, it is how religion is often used to exploit people. On your comment, I don't understand what is comforting about one life-death-game over, because in that world people can just be horrible to each other without consequence, exploit each other to gain as much wealth as possible etc. From what I have read about NDEs and Stevenson's and Tuckers work on Reincarnation-the fact that if I'm horrible to someone and I may have to face them in another life is far more reassuring as it means I can make amends

You mean without consequence to them after they die right? Not without consequence in this life.