75. Marilynn Hughes, Out of Body Travel Experiment (Podcast)

[hoggworks]

Originally Posted by Eric Debois

My brother and my father do it all the time.

How do you know they're dismissing it without thinking about it? Perhaps they've thought about it before, or thought about the types of claims being made before, and are dismissing them based on prior consideration?

[Eric Debois]

Originally Posted by hoggworks

How do you know they're dismissing it without thinking about it? Perhaps they've thought about it before, or thought about the types of claims being made before, and are dismissing them based on prior consideration?

I know because if I even use a word that seems suspect to them, they wont listen to what I say. I have tested this several times over the years, or attempted to trap them so to speak. For example I tried starting up a discussion on general relativity calling it cosmic something or other.

Cosmic is one of those words that cause an automatic shut down, and once on the table, I have successfully managed to make them scoff at curved space as being new age nonsense.

But mostly, when you know someone for a long time, you kind of pick up on these things. A knee-jerk dismissal stops all discussion in a way that a well considered dismissal doesn't.

[David Bailey]

Originally Posted by Eric Debois

I know because if I even use a word that seems suspect to them, they wont listen to what I say. I have tested this several times over the years, or attempted to trap them so to speak. For example I tried starting up a discussion on general relativity calling it cosmic something or other.

Cosmic is one of those words that cause an automatic shut down, and once on the table, I have successfully managed to make them scoff at curved space as being new age nonsense.

But mostly, when you know someone for a long time, you kind of pick up on these things. A knee-jerk dismissal stops all discussion in a way that a well considered dismissal doesn't.

LOL - lovely experiment! Did you point them to a General Relativity site at the end to point out the error of their ways?

David

[hoggworks]

Originally Posted by Eric Debois

I know because if I even use a word that seems suspect to them, they wont listen to what I say. I have tested this several times over the years, or attempted to trap them so to speak. For example I tried starting up a discussion on general relativity calling it cosmic something or other.

Cosmic is one of those words that cause an automatic shut down, and once on the table, I have successfully managed to make them scoff at curved space as being new age nonsense.

But mostly, when you know someone for a long time, you kind of pick up on these things. A knee-jerk dismissal stops all discussion in a way that a well considered dismissal doesn't.

That's definitely closed-minded of them, which sucks. What happened when you got them to scoff at curved-space? Did you point out what you'd done? What was their reaction?

[Eric Debois]

In that case the discussion just sort of dissipated after I told them, with no particular reactions either way. Like "Yeah, right, whatever..". It's like throwing water on a goose.

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

Originally Posted by Eric

My brother and my father do it all the time.

They've never thought about the specific claim or one similar to it? At all?

If so, then I call No True Skeptic!

~~ Paul

[majinrevan666]

Here's a recent C2C interview with marylinn hughes.

YouTube - Coast to Coast AM - Experiences in Other Dimensions part 1/12

[Arten60]

Anyone here read Robert Monroe's book Journeys out of the body?
I would like to see Alex interview American Physicist Tom Campbell. Tom was trained by Monroe to have conscious OOBE's in which he was able to explore not only this universe but other universes. From his experiences over many years he has constructed his own cosmogeney and written about it.
The conclusion is that we are living in a giant computer and the material world is a simulation:

My Big TOE

Time and space being continuous is a problem

•Physical reality is an illusion and does not exist independently –it is a mental
construct

•Consciousness is somehow at the root of reality

•The relationship between physical reality and consciousness is fundamental
but unknown

•They knew the traditional fundamental assumptions were wrong,
Thomas Campbell

[P_Synthesis]

I agree with the idea of a Tom Campbell interview, but how focused is Campbell on Skeptiko-type stuff?

I actually think someone from the Monroe Institute might be better (eg. Skip Atwater or Paul Rademacher) because they are regularly doing research I think. Another one is Waldo Vieira.

On lucid dreams there's a considerable difference between them and OBE IMHO. Gabbard and Twemlow's book has good stuff on that if people are interested.

[paqart]

Originally Posted by fabkebab

I did have one thought though - During contact with the deceased, how long does the conversation last? The returned details from a medium always seem very general, with only a couple of specifics, implying that the conversation only lasts about 10 seconds or so -

If I had a conversation with someone, even if it was only 30 seconds, I would be able to recount a lot of specific information. Why would the deceased person only mention "a general university town" instead of naming the town itself? Why not name the lesbian woman? Why not explain exactly how she died and why?

If God allows a deceased person to communicate with the medium, why does he not allow clear, concise communication?

Anwyay, I dont "judge" stories like this, I just suspend my critical thinking for a while, but I did ask myself a question or two - maybe this will draw someone into the thread

Maybe the full names are given, but they're hard to hear or pick up. On a couple of occasions I've remembered full proper names from dreams and been able to verify them, but it is very hard to remember that kind of information. Maybe it is the same for mediums?

AP