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Old 06-29-2009, 10:02 AM
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What about, for example, that only around 10%-20% of people who come close to death can remember an NDE? Do 80-90% of people simply not remember their NDEs? Or is it the case they simply do not have any such experience? If the latter then this obviously gives evidence for extinction -- at least for the 80%-90% of people who do not have a NDE.
Why does it obviously give evidence for extinction? Perhaps the near-death situation was simply not conducive to seeing the afterlife. Perhaps the person saw it, but the beings of light determined that remembering it after recovery would have negative impact on the person. Perhaps some people remember it but lie about it. Perhaps some people (skeptics?) mistake it for an hallucination and don't think it has anything to do with the afterlife.

You have no sort of coherent model of the afterlife, yet you speak in absolutes as if you know how it works. You call things evidence that are merely suggestive of one mythology or another.

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Since the skeptics on here are not producing any remotely plausible arguments, and indeed I myself can produce vastly better skeptical arguments, I really don't think there's any purpose in me reading any further.
You don't think it's even plausible that NDEs could be hallucinations?

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How difficult is it to understand that simply because one cannot prove X this does not entail not X??
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Old 06-29-2009, 09:08 PM
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Treating the mind like some sort of magical nonphysical entity has set back medicine and psychiatry 100 years.
Nonsense! I have it on good authority that it has only set back medicine and psychiatry 94 years 3 months 2 weeks and 6 days.
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Old 06-29-2009, 09:28 PM
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You do agree that "not materialistic - because it has to feel and experience" includes the blatant assumption that consciousness just can't be an emergent property of the brain, right? There is no law that makes this so, it's just your feeling.

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The fact that consciousness is non-physical doesn't entail it can't be an emergent property of the brain.

Nor is there any difficulty in supposing the non-physical can affect the physical and indeed vice versa.
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